Decision for 300, need opinions

[petebull]

I voted "Don't Care".

I play gcu because it's easy to play from home or work...

But when that mode is going away, I'm sure I will find a way to play...

[Johenius]

Um. Just a question: would changing it take out support for *console* (i.e. playing without X), or would it make it just make it impossible to play over SSH?

I don't play via SSH very often, but I *do* play on non-GUI systems from time-to-time...

[Neil]

My plan would remove all console UIs.

[Crim, The Red Thunder]

This is probably a stupid question but will it disrupt the ability to play on windows/IBM systems? Thats all i ever have, and i dont want to lose ToME.

[petebull]

Crim: No, this does NOT affect MS Windows.


-- Well, if you are not like me who ssh's from Win to some linux box to play. But then again: I could ssh from Cygwin's X or rebooting to linux...


Johenius: http://www.libsdl.org/faq.php?action=li ... category=9

Linux:
* x11 - (default) Use the X11 windowing system
* dga - Use XFree86 DGA 2.0 for fullscreen hardware acceleration
* fbcon - Use the framebuffer console
* directfb - Use the DirectFB API
* svgalib - Use the SVGAlib API
* ggi - Use the General Graphics Interface API
* aalib - Use the Ascii Art library

You don't need X11 on Linux to use SDL.

[Neil]

My plan would remove ALL UIs for ALL OSes and replace them with the single SDL UI.

The effect would be increased portability and consistency on all OSes, though.

[Crim, The Red Thunder]

In that case, i have no further worries.

I voted, dont care, i will play tome however.

[Tabris]

I'm all for it as long as we can play it on the traditional (yep) ASCII mode... I would prolly play it on ASCII mode anyway. If i wanted to play Diablo, I would do so.

[Neil]

My plan would support a text map, but would not be restricted to an old 7-bit character set.

[Tabris]

My plan would support a text map, but would not be restricted to an old 7-bit character set.

As in, not just a map window but actualy being able to play as if you were playing tome2 as it is now?

[Atarlost]

oooh, unicode compatible ToME. I like. Will oook still be able to handle screenshots and cmovies?

[tuirgin]

I voted `no' with a bit of hesitation -- hesitations based upon noeGNUd, not upon sdl itself. noeGNUd is certainly `nifty', but it isn't my idea of elegant. I write this primarily because while it is nice that it gives everyone what they want, it also unfortunately is equally expensive to both the bells-n-whistles craving and the ASCII demanding gamers. Here's a look at various apps on my workstation (I haven't tried this on my personal linux boxes):

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NetHack XP console		~ 2MB
NetHackW (gui)			~ 4MB
GTK SlashEm			~23MB
    - slashem		~ 3MB
    - gtkhack		~20MB
noeGNUd				~24MB

Since the only `graphics' I use are some glyphs from ang16.bdf or else simply the 50% gray square from more standard typefaces I'd sure hate to have to spend the resources on the graphic bloat, especially on my laptop on which I like to conserve as many resources as possible (console w/ screen, ion3, or fluxbox are my environments of choice).

The reason noeGNUd's solution is so expensive is that it makes _everything_ into a graphic tile, including text. As far as I can tell there isn't a single use of a font in the entire app. It's not at all a simple thing to plug in my own font customizations -- I'd have to render the font-map of every font I wanted to try into a tiles image and that's a pain which will most likely leave me settling, possibly unhappily, with what's there... and I still haven't yet figured out the trick to making color customizations -- I see where it's at but it's confusing and not documented in an obvious place.

What I like about it, however, is that it's very easy to resize the map display -- just zoom in or out, and it might be a simpler way to handle the extra terms I use. I wouldn't need to bother with customizing my .Xresources to set things up for different resolutions on my laptop (for with or without external monitor).

And I gotta admit I switch to tiles from time to time and play around with the 3D-ish orientations and think `cool!'... but as soon as I start actually playing the game I always eventually switch back to ASCII finding it easier to take game info in that way.

For me, noeGNUd type implementations only makes sense as a 3D-ish front-end for those wanting that sort of thing. Settling on such a UI as the only thing would be a drag unless the UI let the user scale back the resource use along with the graphical blo-- er -- nifty-ness.

[Canderel]

tuirgin, I think (hope/pray) that your objections are unfounded. I've seen some screenshots of what's in development, and it makes use of the fonts in SDL extensively, and I hope that 3d things that makes the download bigger will be optional. (Though the graphic tilesets that comes with tome hasn't been optional for some time).

The SDL will probably increase the download a bit, but hopefully not past 5mb.

However, I do believe that the decisions has been made, and progress towards an SDL tome is coming along.

[Neil]

1. The SDL ToME in development has nothing to do with my plan (which has been rejected by the illustrious maintainer anyway).

2. Objections to noegnud implementation issues are noted, but not likely to be relevant to ToME SDL software.

[darkgod]

Rejected ?
No it's been postponned for 400 with keeping in mind the ability to have a text mode still available