83 damage from a Level 4 degenerated skeleton? Big Bug?

[DavidB1111]

I was minding my own business with my level 5 dwarf fighter, attacking a group of monsters, the mouse over of this skeleton read it as a level 4 degenerated skeleton. On average they do about 5 damage, with my armor.

So, I didn't think of anything when I saw him, and started to hit on him, and he did 83 damage, then 113 damage then 83 again, which turned my 160 something health to -87.
I didn't even get a warning about low HP.

I guess I paid the ultimate price for hitting down the movement keys and not thinking about it.

But still, that's a lot of damage for a level 4 Degenerated skeleton.
I wish there was a way to provide a screenshot.
But yeah, that skeleton was more dangerous to melee than a Greater Titan in Tome 2.3.5, with a Yeek Sorcerer, at level 1
Seriously, that skeleton would have killed a greater titan in a few turns probably.


so, Did I find the weirdest bug ever?
And people always wondered why I used to love the debug command/wizard mode/cheat death option...in earlier versions of Tome.

I've been playing TOME since the first versions of it's former name, PernAngband.
I've even talked to DarkGod before, years ago, using AOL's built in messenger. I feel old now.
But I've never run into a skeleton that powerful before.
Was he wielding an axe that does 90 damage a hit?

Also, Fighters can't seem to use Imbue Gem that they get from the Alchemist quest. Might want to look at making that option not available.
It just says I don't have a valid gem, despite having a valid gem.

[greycat]

Skeletons use weapons. Which means the game generates a weapon for them when the level is created. The weapon could be an iron greatsword, or it could be a phase galvorn greatsword of massacre.

There is absolutely no way you can know how dangerous a skeleton's weapon is except to be hit by it. Mouseover provides no hint.

[Grey]

If that's the case it should be considered a bug that low level enemies can wield such weapons without the meeting the strength requirements.

As for the Imbue Gem ability, it can work for any class, but picking it up via the escort quest will give you very basic knowledge. You'll only be able to use the simplest gems and items.

[DavidB1111]

Er, yeah, it's a bug.
I'm sorry, but monsters below Nightwalkers/Greater Titans/etc shouldn't be able to do 83 to 113 damage a hit.

I'm not exactly happy with a monster on dungeon level 3 in the beginning dungeon that you go to, the tower one, spawning with a weapon your character can't wield until level 30 or so with all the strength requirements.

And I don't think Degenerating skeletons until this one spawned with weapons. Since they all did on average 5 damage.
Maybe upwards of 11.
I had 173 health until this one killed me dead, in three turns, before I got off maybe one hit.
I'm sorry, but it's a bug, even if they can use weapons.

There's no reason to give them weapons either, unless you can tell. They're supposed to do standard ranges of damage, not deal damage on a scale that a level 50 Warrior in Vanilla Angband would be jealous of, while wielding the Glaive of Pain with the Cesti of Fingolfin at max strength, with two rings of slaying +9,+9, and every other piece of Equipment that boosts both hit and damage..

I'm playing on Normal, not Nightmare. Or rather, "This difficulty doesn't even play nice."
And until the skeleton uber-killed me, I was having a good time.

About the Imbue thing, how come it doesn't have a better description then? It doesn't state what types of gems you can use.

Also, to prevent me from not playing this game again, until the game has the uber damage fixed, are there anything like the debug/wizard commands?

[Shoob]

DG has said before that it is not a bug, just that monsters "cheat" with regards to items... though imo it should be changed so that they can only "cheat" a few stat points over (10 maybe)

and yes there are some debug commands, but they are all done via console, and there is no documentation for the commands yet... I am going to make a better "wizard mode" console, but life has intervened in me making it so far...

so to do it you put tome.cheat = true in a tome.cheat.cfg file in your HOME/t-engine/4.0/settings directory, and then in game you access it by using ctrl-L...<highlight for cheatiness>

[DavidB1111]

Thank you, and I agree, they should only cheat at most 10 points over. Because a monster that does that much damage that early in the game is not really fair.

And thanks for the cheat help.

Er, where is the HOME/t-engine/4.0/settings directory?
I have the directory the game is in, I have a game subdirectory, with an engine directory. But I don't have any T-engine/4.0/settings directory at all.

[Shoob]

for windows HOME will be something along the lines of c:\users\<user name>, not sure about other OS's right now (it is late, and my brain is in off mode)

[DavidB1111]

Ah. Thank you!
Now to see if Cheat Death is one of the options.
"Tis but a flesh wound."

Gah, I know they're not documented, but still, how hard is it to find the commands...
Every attempt I make seems to end with attempt to index whatever (a nil value)
or a (a number value)
What are the commands?

[darkgod]

Actually you have an indication in the tooltip: such rare cases will have very high strength (in order to wield their weapon)