RFT4

[darkgod]

So maybe I went a bit too much on the godo side for mages?
What was your MAgic stat ? and level ?

1) ?????????
2) I dont think so, it's hardto balance
3) damned!
4) ah yes I must put borders
5) I believe in Freeze as it is. It can block a coridor with a frozen monster, until more can allign for a deadly manathrusting time

Ok now try as a rogue

[madmonk]

So maybe I went a bit too much on the godo side for mages?
What was your MAgic stat ? and level ?

1) ?????????
2) I dont think so, it's hardto balance
3) damned!
4) ah yes I must put borders
5) I believe in Freeze as it is. It can block a coridor with a frozen monster, until more can allign for a deadly manathrusting time

Ok now try as a rogue

For my comment number 1, I was thinking of limiting how many squares a spell could go across before it fizzled.
As to the rest, fair enough!

The Mage ended at Level 9 with a Magic stat of 34 (I started at 18 and added 2 per level), the remaining points went into Willpower for the Mana. Point to note here, I always preferred Staffs of Power for the increased damage rather than the increased Mana. Of course once I had the Fall, that's what I always wore (checking every time).

The Rogue, yes, I have been avoiding that. OK, next on the agenda!

[madmonk]

The rogue...

So I meet this here Bill, and whack him a few times, and he drops a huge log on me!

Comment: I found that Stealth never worked for me until Bill, every time up until then, I would be spotted and they would all come charging up to have a party. I am aware of the Stealth radius, but I had clear evidence of monsters spotting me from very far away, clumsy so-and-so that I am.

[LOG] William activates Stealth.
addTmpVal stealth 1.3
101 frames in 10.05 seconds = 10.0498 FPS
[LOG] William uses Flurry.
USING table: 0xb85b4148 Flurry
249500 ticks in 10.066 seconds = 24786.4 TPS
checkHit 5.5 1.3
=> chance to hit 65.228834438306
Stealth 1.3 <:> 5.5 ===> true 65.228834438306
[LOG] William deactivates Stealth.
delTmpVal stealth 1.3
[LOG] Bill the Stone Troll notices you at the last moment!
[ATTACK] with nil to Bill the Stone Troll :: 21.25 2 0 :: 1.8
checkHit 25 2.1
=> chance to hit 95
[ATTACK] after range 23
[ATTACK] after crit 41.4
[PROJECTOR] res 0 1 on dam 41.4
[PROJECTOR] final dam 41.4
[LOG] William hits Bill the Stone Troll for #aaaaaa#41.40 physical damage#ffffff#.
[ATTACK] with nil to Bill the Stone Troll :: 14 5 0 :: 1.9636363636364
checkHit 25 2.1
=> chance to hit 95
[ATTACK] after range 15
[ATTACK] after crit 29.454545454545
[PROJECTOR] res 0 1 on dam 29.454545454545
[PROJECTOR] final dam 29.454545454545
[LOG] William hits Bill the Stone Troll for #aaaaaa#29.45 physical damage#ffffff#.
[ATTACK] with nil to Bill the Stone Troll :: 21.25 2 0 :: 1.8
checkHit 25 2.1
=> chance to hit 95
[ATTACK] after range 26
[ATTACK] after crit 46.8
[PROJECTOR] res 0 1 on dam 46.8
[PROJECTOR] final dam 46.8
[LOG] William hits Bill the Stone Troll for #aaaaaa#46.80 physical damage#ffffff#.
[ATTACK] with nil to Bill the Stone Troll :: 14 5 0 :: 1.9636363636364
checkHit 25 2.1
=> chance to hit 95
[ATTACK] after range 18
[ATTACK] after crit 35.345454545455
[PROJECTOR] res 0 1 on dam 35.345454545455
[PROJECTOR] final dam 35.345454545455
[LOG] William hits Bill the Stone Troll for #aaaaaa#35.35 physical damage#ffffff#.
[ATTACK] with nil to Bill the Stone Troll :: 21.25 2 0 :: 1.8
checkHit 25 2.1
=> chance to hit 95
[ATTACK] after range 26
[ATTACK] after crit 93.6
[LOG] William performs a critical stike!
[PROJECTOR] res 0 1 on dam 93.6
[PROJECTOR] final dam 93.6
[LOG] William hits Bill the Stone Troll for #aaaaaa#93.60 physical damage#ffffff#.
[ATTACK] with nil to Bill the Stone Troll :: 14 5 0 :: 1.9636363636364
checkHit 25 2.1
=> chance to hit 95
[ATTACK] after range 16
[ATTACK] after crit 31.418181818182
[PROJECTOR] res 0 1 on dam 31.418181818182
[PROJECTOR] final dam 31.418181818182
[LOG] William hits Bill the Stone Troll for #aaaaaa#31.42 physical damage#ffffff#.
Bill the Stone Troll 775 dumb ai talents can use Knockback 7
Bill the Stone Troll 775 dumb ai talents can use Stun 6
dumb ai uses 7
[LOG] Bill the Stone Troll uses Knockback.
USING table: 0xb84d7898 Knockback
[ATTACK] with nil to William :: 65.1 7 2 :: 1.5
checkHit 16 4.5
=> chance to hit 83.243845991561
[ATTACK] after range 101
[ATTACK] after crit 151.5
[PROJECTOR] res 0 1 on dam 151.5
[PROJECTOR] final dam 151.5
[LOG] Bill the Stone Troll hits William for #aaaaaa#151.50 physical damage#ffffff#.
[LOG] Bill the Stone Troll killed William!
Lua Error: /engine/interface/ActorTalents.lua:97: /data/talents/misc/npcs.lua:172: attempt to index global 'weapon' (a nil value)
At [C]:-1
At [C]:-1 error
At /engine/interface/ActorTalents.lua:97 useTalent
At /engine/ai//talented.lua:18
At (tail call):-1
At /engine/ai//talented.lua:27
At (tail call):-1
At (tail call):-1
At /mod/class/NPC.lua:18 act
At /engine/GameEnergyBased.lua:44 tick
At /engine/GameTurnBased.lua:24 tick
At /mod/class/Game.lua:174
86 frames in 10.136 seconds = 8.48461 FPS

[darkgod]

Stealth is based on Cunning.
Get it higher and the chance to get noticed will decrease (and increase stealth level too).
Stealths breaks on attack eitehr after or before if you are noticed.

[madmonk]

But more to the point the Rogue is the only Char with a triple requirement for Stats...

Strength for the Physical side of things...
Dexterity for the Dual wielding side of things
Cunning for the Stealth


Oh, and don't forget Constitution for the Health side of things.

That makes things awkward, and I just spent an hour running around a small section dungeon with a cave troll trying to kill it. I gave up, I was dealing it 4 points of damage on average per hit. And Flurry was not working.

So really that leaves the option of dropping Strength completely and doing the Stealth thing... or any combo of 2 out of the 3 but you can't generalise and moreover it gets very awkward later if you try and switch over to another combo.

Not that I am complaining mind you, but it is by far the most interesting char in that you have to decide which way to go right at the start. The Rogue that met Bill was a Dual-Wielding Tank. Never got any Stealth based Char going, they always die too early... Or it may be that I am playing it wrong...

[darkgod]

You shouldnt need much STR, knives use both STR and DEX for their damage.
(And i'll add a str to cun talent for knives too)

[madmonk]

You shouldnt need much STR, knives use both STR and DEX for their damage.
(And i'll add a str to cun talent for knives too)

Which presupposes the Stealthy way is the only way. If that is what you are after then great, and I don't have any objections.

In which case we need to lower the Strength requirements for the Physical side of things.

[darkgod]

STR req for what ?
Well it's an option anyway

[madmonk]

STR req for what ?
Well it's an option anyway

It's a requirement for Swordmastery and a lot of stuff in the school.

[darkgod]

Yes .. dont use swords, use knives, which have a DEX requirement

[madmonk]

So then I would suggest removing the other weapon's schools from it...

[darkgod]

?

[madmonk]

?

Those that use STR...

[darkgod]

Yes but removing them from what ?

[madmonk]

Remove the following from Physical / Weapon-Training (Mastery 1.00)
Sword Mastery (relies on STR)
Axe Mastery (relies on STR)
Mace Mastery (relies on STR)

Another point:

I have a point in Dual Weapon Training, and it states that (having 1 point/5) it reduces the damage penalty to the off-hand weapon to 56%

I place a point in it (thus giving 2/5)... It now says the damage penalty has been reduced to 68%.

I assume you mean the Damage penalty has been reduced by X%