Let Through the Crowd cease friend fires between minions

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jinsediaoying
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Let Through the Crowd cease friend fires between minions

#1 Post by jinsediaoying »

The main reason is that this will solve the most annoying problem that the major consumers of this prodigy have.
Since both summoner and necromancer have the problem of minions killing eachother( the ice tree, the and the skeleton mages and a whole bunch of advanced undeads).

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#2 Post by elboyo »

This would also make the Hydra much, much nicer if you could enable his AI to disregard allies.

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#3 Post by Radon26 »

in older version, i got killed my my own hydra. and i am pretty sure i was the hydra's ally.

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#4 Post by elboyo »

Interesting. I've never had the hydra use its breath weapons with allies in the AoE before.

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#5 Post by Radon26 »

and i might have remembered it wrong.

but either way, its you who asked for the hydra to disregard allies. and you are ally.

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#6 Post by edge2054 »

Ally compassion uses weights. I haven't played a summoner in awhile but I think if you set the weight high enough it will breathe even if you're in the area of effect.

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#7 Post by elboyo »

Radon26 wrote:and i might have remembered it wrong.

but either way, its you who asked for the hydra to disregard allies. and you are ally.
This thread is clearly about turning off "friendly fire" with the Through the Crowd prodigy. That would make the hydra better as long as you can also have them not care about hitting allies (that they can no longer damage). It would also increase the use of that stupid rimebark.

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#8 Post by HousePet »

Maybe just change Rimebark to do something like Leavestide instead of normal Ice damage.
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#9 Post by Radon26 »

problem with that, is that freezing enemies is the only reason why someone would consider using those.
if you take away its freezing ability, while yes it will prevent freezing the player, it would make him absolutely useless.
what does the leave tide do? cut you? that will do even more damage to you, and not prevent enemies from doing damage to you.

freeze, while annoying, it coat you with ice that stops a % of damage, and because you are a summoner, does not hinder your battle potential in the slightest. because minions do everything for you. unless they try to break the ice.

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#10 Post by Mordy »

Actually, Leaves Tide doesn't hurt allies :
All foes hit by the leaves will start bleeding for (5 + [5]35cTMD) per turn (cumulative).
All allies hit will be covered in leaves, granting them (10 + [3]25cTMD)% chancemax 40% to completely avoid any damaging attack.

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#11 Post by Radon26 »

or you could just make the ice storm just not affect allies?

but then again, the chance to completely avoid attacks does seem potentially powerful.
and currently reimbark doesn't really fit it the talent tree. (a tree, that doesn't fit in a tree...)
ritch flame spitter, as the name suggest spits fire.
hydra, pukes poison, acid and lightning. (lightning is close enough to fire...)
fire dragon, breathe (as in the name) fire.
reimbark... he is just chilling there...

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#12 Post by 64legos »

Radon26 wrote:reimbark... he is just chilling there...
I see what you did there.

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#13 Post by donkatsu »

HousePet wrote:Maybe just change Rimebark to do something like Leavestide instead of normal Ice damage.
Rimebark losing friendly fire would be a nerf. Which I am okay with; it's not like Summoners can't take a few nerfs, but it also makes Rimebark more brainless to use and brainless play is definitely something Summoners don't need any more of.

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#14 Post by Radon26 »

i agree with them not requiring brain.
unless you are surprised you can just summon a dragon behind a corner.
when i was still into summoners i was just going to put all my points into the ranged summons, juggling in andout from doggy.
after i got the dragons full i just put my points into passive upgrades.
effect?
i can summon a horde of dragons at will, maxing out with more than 10 dragons (including hatchlings) + a flame spitter quizzed in for the improvement of fire damage. bah, patrols have noting on me, if i exit the zone with full army, they don't tick down, which means i already start the battle with army and off cool down.

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