ToME Vs.

[Red]

Ooh, excellent point. And admittedly, it was Garkul's decision to split his forces to the East that ended up killing him.

I don't feel it would seriously affect Garkul vs. Garrosh, since they've both got a "kill-'em-all" approach to warfare.

And, much as I hate to admit it, that'd actually put some big points in Thrall's favor in open warfare. Garkul was very, very good at making his enemies scared-the pyres were as much about the living as they were the dead-but Thrall would keep his soldiers focused and calm.

Important question, however-what kind of antimagic does WoW have? Garkul was trained with mages and learned how to resist them, and considering the mage hunters of modern Eyal, I'm sure there were plenty like that with Garkul at the helm. I'm not sure how magical the Orcish Horde is, but it's the kind of thing that I'll need to know.

[Grey]

So it'll be Atamathon vs. until we figure out what can take the big guy down. :P

Garkul can headbutt Atamathon to death and still have the energy to fight an army by himself.

Mind you, "legends" are called just that for a reason. There is no true history independent of the teller.

[Red]

There is no true history

Fixed that for you.

It's a videogame, Grey. Meaning none of this is really true, which means what I believe is reality to me. My own headcanon is the law of my mind, and in my mind the legends of Garkul are simple fact. Now, if other (reliable) lore shows up and says that the legends of Garkul are exaggerated, I'll have to change my headcanon, but until that point in time, Garkul remains the most badass person to ever roam Eyal-at least to me.

I do get other people will think differently, and that in all likelihood Garkul's legend is exaggerated. But - it, it's so damn awesome that I want to believe it's all true.

[jaumito]

Now, if other (reliable) lore shows up

Reliable lore? That sounds like an oxymoron to me. The mere fact that collecting Garkul's lore nets you an achievement named "a different point of view" should be hint enough that lore in Eyal was never meant to be taken as absolute truth - only points of view.

[Parcae2]

British and French accounts of the life of Napoleon will give different weight to different parts of the story, but they're not going to disagree on the basic facts involved. Moreover, bear in mind that, given the very long lifespans of some of Eyal's races, the events of Garkul's life occurred within living memory. We're not talking about the Song of Roland here.

[Red]

The issue with living witnesses is that they'd be Shaloren or Thaloren, in all probability. And Garkul didn't like elves. The truer the lore, the less survivors there would be to confirm it.

Other than that, Linaniil and various demons. Demons aren't exactly chatty, but it'd be cool if you could talk to Linaniil about Garkul. It'd actually be really interesting to talk to her about any old characters, including those like Walrog, since she's one of the longest lived and wisest people you meet.

[Grey]

British and French accounts of the life of Napoleon will give different weight to different parts of the story, but they're not going to disagree on the basic facts involved. Moreover, bear in mind that, given the very long lifespans of some of Eyal's races, the events of Garkul's life occurred within living memory. We're not talking about the Song of Roland here.

And you think living people will give reliable accounts? :)

There is one person alive that specifically faced Garkul in battle, mind.

[Sradac]

Atamathone vs Mordenkainen. Mordenkainen wins, hands down.

One simple spell will completely dismantle the golem

[Red]

I tend to think Atamathon counts as an artifact, so you've got only a 21% chance at the start of Epic Levels of even affecting him, then you've got his ridiculous saves. Plus it takes time to cast a spell, and Atamathon has laser vision. But Pun-Pun...

Who? Who has fought Garkul? I must know this, for I must then find this person.

[0player]

One simple spell will completely dismantle the golem

The spell states that it could be saved against, which in world of ToME would translate to... well, being saved against. As the effect is close in severity to instant death, I think it'd be balanced to the levels of Time Skip, so Atma is likely to just shrug it off.

[Sradac]

I suppose it would also depend which ruleset we are going by. If we're using the original 1e / 2e that Mordenkainen was created for he'd be crushed pretty fast. If we're using the superior 3 / 3.5, then he might just have a chance because I could see him with the feats to lean DCs more in his favor as well as specializations.

Also, he IS the leader of the Circle of Eight. I would imagine his power is on-par, if not above those of Linaniil

[jaumito]

Han Solo would beat Garkul (cuz' he always shoots first.)

Luke would beat Linaniil (seriously, the friggin' FORCE is with him!)

Leia would beat the Orc Greatmother (she knows well how to deal with fat, ugly monstrosities.)

And a band of Ewoks would easily bring Ata down (just because he's got big, long legs.)

[Grey]

Who? Who has fought Garkul? I must know this, for I must then find this person.

There's a little mention towards the end of the Spellblaze Chronicles...

[darkgod]

Sradac, depends, did Mordenkainen absorb the energies of a (dead) god ?

As for Luke, he is just a guy jumping around with a glowing stick. She is not impressed!

[jaumito]

Sradac, depends, did Mordenkainen absorb the energies of a (dead) god ?

No big deal. What Linaniil did once in her life, every churchgoing Christian can do once a week. If eating dead gods is indeed the source of her power, I can only conclude she'd be no match for my old, pious granny.