[1.2.4] Eye of the Tiger not working?

[jenx]

I have a lvl 45 Mindslayer, with close to 90% crit rate for both physical and mind attacks, and most of my attacks are one or the other.

But I have tested this four 1 hour in the training room, and my talents only very occasionally get the talent cooldown, even though I crit 9 times out of 10.

For example, I hit Frenzied Focus, and CD says 19. I then hit the training dummy 34 times in a row! (I have high speed etc). About 27 crit but not once does FF cooldown decrease.

I can repeat this over and over for all my talents.

The only time it seems to cooldown is when I use multiple talents, and one talent triggers the cooldown of another talent if it crits. But the description says "all physical crits", not just crits from talents. And even then, I have plenty of crits that don't seem to do anything. Is it also the case perhaps that crits from the TK weapon don't trigger Eye of the Tiger?

Is the description wrong, or is this buggy?

As I've said, I've tested this for literally hundreds and hundreds of hits and talents, and it is not working at all as described. I wouldn't have taken the prodigy if I had known it was so unreliable.

I'm playing Nightmare Roguelike too, so having a good prodigy is pretty important

http://te4.org/characters/2460/tome/7e9 ... dbafe674fa

[donkatsu]

All physical criticals reduce the remaining cooldown of a random technique or cunning talent by 2.

[jenx]

All physical criticals reduce the remaining cooldown of a random technique or cunning talent by 2.

but i thought the TK weapon is a mind power, so will reduce CD on psionic talents, even though it is a physical hit. Is it the dmg type then that determines this?

if i got weapon with mind dmg on hit, would that work?

[edit] - just checked and it is not.

so, i thought I'd check the other talents as well.

it turns out, Psi-Fighting talents also don't call mindCrit, so they too never trigger cooldowns, and I use these a lot.

so, isn't that a bug then, that TK and psi-fighting talents call physCrit and not mindCrit?

[donkatsu]

But the description says "all physical crits", not just crits from talents. And even then, I have plenty of crits that don't seem to do anything.

It sounded like you already knew it was a physical crit, but uh...

I don't see anything in Beyond the Flesh's description that says that it will replace physical crit with mental crit for determining crits with physical melee weapons. And physical melee weapons use physical crit by default. All weapon attacks are like this (except mindstars). Reavers don't suddenly start using spell crit for their weapon attacks just because their weapon attacks are also spells.

You could argue that you would prefer Beyond the Flesh to replace phys crit with mind crit for melee weapons but that's not a bug nor is the description wrong.

And right now you're confusing the physical/spell/mental split with damage types (physical, fire, cold, blight, mind, nature, % chance of gloom, etc). They have nothing to do with each other. A mental attack can do physical damage (Distortion Bolt). A physical weapon can do mind damage (projection ego). I mean, if you thought that a weapon with mind dmg on hit would do a mental crit, what did you think a weapon with fire dmg on hit would do? Fire crit? If you're hitting stuff with a weapon that's not a mindstar then it's a physical crit unless something tells you otherwise. I suspect that the confusion may indeed be coming from the way mindstars work but mindstars are just weird.

[jenx]

But the description says "all physical crits", not just crits from talents. And even then, I have plenty of crits that don't seem to do anything.

It sounded like you already knew it was a physical crit, but uh...

I don't see anything in Beyond the Flesh's description that says that it will replace physical crit with mental crit for determining crits with physical melee weapons. And physical melee weapons use physical crit by default. All weapon attacks are like this (except mindstars). Reavers don't suddenly start using spell crit for their weapon attacks just because their weapon attacks are also spells.

You could argue that you would prefer Beyond the Flesh to replace phys crit with mind crit for melee weapons but that's not a bug nor is the description wrong.

And right now you're confusing the physical/spell/mental split with damage types (physical, fire, cold, blight, mind, nature, % chance of gloom, etc). They have nothing to do with each other. A mental attack can do physical damage (Distortion Bolt). A physical weapon can do mind damage (projection ego). I mean, if you thought that a weapon with mind dmg on hit would do a mental crit, what did you think a weapon with fire dmg on hit would do? Fire crit? If you're hitting stuff with a weapon that's not a mindstar then it's a physical crit unless something tells you otherwise. I suspect that the confusion may indeed be coming from the way mindstars work but mindstars are just weird.

yes, i figured all that out, but I still think it is not consistent that all psionic talents use mind crit except psi-fighting. shouldn't telekentic smash and impale also use mind crit, the way kinetic strike etc does?

[donkatsu]

Kinetic Strike only uses mind crit for the extra physical damage (the part that scales with mindpower). The weapon hit is still a physical crit. The same is true for the rest of the augmented striking talents, and every other talent in the game that I know of.

Telekinetic Smash has no component that scales with mindpower and Impale's bleed does scale with mindpower but it doesn't crit at all, like most bleeds and poisons.

[jenx]

Kinetic Strike only uses mind crit for the extra physical damage (the part that scales with mindpower). The weapon hit is still a physical crit. The same is true for the rest of the augmented striking talents, and every other talent in the game that I know of.

Telekinetic Smash has no component that scales with mindpower and Impale's bleed does scale with mindpower but it doesn't crit at all, like most bleeds and poisons.

exactly my point. I think the omission of the psi-fighting talent tree from mind crit is a design weakness that should be rectified. that's all.