Give locked unarmed combat to berserker and rogue

[Strongpoint]

It's quite logical that this classes may get this kind of training

It will give an interesting option for spending a cat point (doubt that good... but interesting)

1) Can be used to boost a flexible combat prodigy
2) While not something great defense and mental save are always useful
3) Great mobility option for classes that would really benefit from it
4) Now that is useless for them.... (And if you ask me, 4th talent is of dubious value for brawlers themselves and could see a change)
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Another idea is to give unarmed combat tree to any character that chose flexible combat as a prodigy, as additional effect... But I am quite sure that class skills are meant to be unavailable from external sources

[jotwebe]

It'd fit for Marauders, too. Although for them, and to a lesser extent Rogues, Flexible Combat + Flurry (+GWF in case of Marauders) could end up being extremely powerful.

[SageAcrin]

It's pretty athematic for a sneaky Rogue to be skilled in boxing style fisticuffs. Not entirely off...but weird.

Berserker and Marauder getting it seems okay, though.

Combo String really needs to be retooled before it gets passed out, though(totally useless skills are bad). But as mentioned, it's needed that for a while.

[jotwebe]

It's pretty athematic for a sneaky Rogue to be skilled in boxing style fisticuffs. Not entirely off...but weird.

Well, a rogue doesn't have to be sneaky, and anybody who is into dirty fighting is a natural for fisticuffs, thematically.

[SageAcrin]

It's pretty athematic for a sneaky Rogue to be skilled in boxing style fisticuffs. Not entirely off...but weird.

Well, a rogue doesn't have to be sneaky, and anybody who is into dirty fighting is a natural for fisticuffs, thematically.

Yeah, but non-sneaky dirty fighting Rogues with more of an emphasis than usual on non-weapon fighting have a name in ToME, and it's Marauder.

[Mewtarthio]

What self-respecting rogue hasn't dropped an elbow into some unsuspecting schmuck's kidney?

[jotwebe]

It's pretty athematic for a sneaky Rogue to be skilled in boxing style fisticuffs. Not entirely off...but weird.

Well, a rogue doesn't have to be sneaky, and anybody who is into dirty fighting is a natural for fisticuffs, thematically.

Yeah, but non-sneaky dirty fighting Rogues with more of an emphasis than usual on non-weapon fighting have a name in ToME, and it's Marauder.

I still fail to see how sneakiness and unarmed fighting don't go together. Now, Warshouts, that I'd have problems with... (otoh: sneak sneak sneak YELL might be highly effective)

[Crim, The Red Thunder]

This must be implemented NOW. Then I can yell 'SNEAK ATTACK' everytime I break stealth. DO IT.

And stealth grapples might make sense, if we want to go unarmed route, but not boxing. (Though marauder would work well boxing. Sleazy dirty boxing on a nasty class.)

[Strongpoint]

IMO boxing = pugulism
Unarmed attack = whatever unarmed combat style

[supermini]

If you gave pugilism to marauder/berserker, there would be no point of ever playing a brawler.

[Strongpoint]

who said anything about giving pugilism to anyone but brawler?