Crim, The Red Thunder wrote:How did you kill it before suffering a dream in the first place? That's a 60 turn limit, you'd have to movement infuse across the field multiple times, leaving enemies behind you...
Yes. Movement infusion and lightning speed. I was freakin' level 43. I could crush anything in the zone, including the boss, in 2-3 hits.
60 turn timer. Big dark zone. No obvious targets. No instructions. No warnings. So I zoomed around until I saw the purple guy and the thing behind him, and killed him, and walked up to the thing.
Area 1 appears to be safe for dreaming even after you kill the boss. But the mouse dream sucks and is effing annoying. I hear the Solipsist class is pretty amazing, but who knows if I'll ever have the patience to go through the mouse dream.
areacode212 wrote:Area 1 appears to be safe for dreaming even after you kill the boss. But the mouse dream sucks and is effing annoying. I hear the Solipsist class is pretty amazing, but who knows if I'll ever have the patience to go through the mouse dream.
I noticed the timer in area 1 didn't stop, but wasn't sure if it was 'safe' or not. Since the mindworm is the cause of some of the nightmares you're having, shouldn't it stop as well?
As for the mouse dream, that was why this topic was made. There appears to be a HUGE discrepancy in difficulty. Either they're both supposed to be effing hard, or they're both supposed to be challenging but doable, either way, seems like one is off. I can safely say that doing the mouse dream is a royal pain, but it is definitely DOABLE as is, just not consistently. It basically boils down to totally random luck, and we all know how horrid luck in tome can be. Even after being nerfed... 3(?) times, solipsists are still considered to be overly strong, so it's definitely worth going to the trouble to complete them, and if you clear the immediate vicinity in area 2, near the entrance, you can just wait in peace as long as it takes, as many times as it takes. It's just so annoying to have to try so freaking many times....
areacode212 wrote:Area 1 appears to be safe for dreaming even after you kill the boss. But the mouse dream sucks and is effing annoying. I hear the Solipsist class is pretty amazing, but who knows if I'll ever have the patience to go through the mouse dream.
So, now that I've just beaten the mouse dream, I can say that it's definitely doable, and actually not nearly as bad as I thought, mainly because I didn't notice the "mouse holes" that are scattered around the place. It's actually kind of fun, once you have a decent strategy down.
I just used my 3 stat points on Cunning, strategically used the Stealth, Hide in Plain Sight, and Evasion abilities and mouse holes.
I hate those dreams so much. The mouse dream is stupid hard, but the worst part is that THEY ARE BORING. The mouse dream is all luck, so if you go down the wrong corridor and there is no mouse hole you lose. The wife dream... slow creepy melee without any skills and run back to heal often, without any strategy. Oh boy what fun . I have never entered that area after getting the unlock, its a chore which is the opposite of what I want from a game.
The obvious solution is to give doing the dreams a reward for doing them again each playthrough, like the reward for saving the wayist. Maybe a sleep resistance? That would encourage people to not just ignore them over and over.
I think my main frustration with them was getting the wife dream four times in a row while trying to unlock solipsist. I had to wander around to run down the clock and sort of duck the mindworm for longer than what was fun.
Other than that, the wife dream is extremely easy. I pump strength, which gives your bump attack a little more zest. You can sort of time the spit from the wife boss and it always does the same damage, afaik. I just wait until a glob of spit leaves me low and then immediately dip around the nearest corner.
The mouse dream left me wondering what all the hullabaloo was all about. I pumped con, and made sure to use the mouse holes. In fact, all I did was press forward towards the lower right corner. I didn't use any elaborate duck and dodge, just stealthed and ran. It was a little scary, but I made it first try. As such, I'm not really sure how randomized that dream is, but maybe people are making too much of it?
edit: I would definitely agree with the wife dream being boring and kind of tedious. It's really straight-forward and just kind of time consuming. Tests your patience more than anything, I suppose.
I cleared the wife dream first time, and many more times afterward (couldn't bring myself to just suicide on it.). I've never understood peoples problem with that. (In fact, I reliably clear that one at least 3 times in 4.) The mouse dream took me god **** FOREVER to clear, and I have pages and pages of 'so and so the mouse' in my character vault to prove it. Hell, sometimes I spawn next to a cat and died in the first turn. A *LOT* of luck seems to be involved in where cats are, where mouseholes are, whether or not there's a cat waiting to pounce on the other side of a mousehole, whether or not you run into a dead end with a cat behind you, and so many others. It seems hugely dependent on luck, and so many many things can go wrong and screw you that it's not even funny. Even knowing where the exit is doesn't help, since the paths in between are so randomized...
If you really felt it was that easy, go back and clear dreams again with another character... By all means, post your success rates for the mouse dream. Maybe I just had horrible luck?
If you were 'dodging the mindworm' for that long, you did it wrong. You enter area 2, kill everything visible from the entrance, and then just sit there and wait for the timer. You don't wander, you don't explore, you just wait. (Use an ability, or infusion, or whatever, then hit rest, and wait for it to cooldown. Repeat as needed) Do that while standing ON the exit to area 1 in CASE mindworm wanders (Don't think he does unless you disturb him, since I waited at entrance for well over 50 dreams...) and retreat to area 1 rather then try and deal with dreams and him. If you're forced to wait in area 1, just autoexplore back and forth from the 2 entrances, though that's so much slower it'll drive you mad.
Really isn't hard to GET dreams, just so **** hard to CLEAR the dreams, or at least the mouse one.
Well, to be fair, I didn't anticipate a string of 4 wife dreams. For some reason, I assumed the dreams simply alternated for the sake of 'get it over with'-ness.
Maybe I just got lucky with the mouse dream. I only took one swipe, which missed, and that was due to not noticing a mousehole and having to retrace back towards the hungry kitties.
Since I already unlocked solipsist, there's really no need to hang around needlessly in the caldera avoiding the mindworm. But, the next character I get that gets the spawn, I'll try the mouse dream a couple more times. Just so all the people that have suffered grisly mouse deaths don't have to live with knowing that someone just waltzed through it first try.
. I have never entered that area after getting the unlock, its a chore which is the opposite of what I want from a game.