ToME: the Tales of Maj'Eyal

I think this is completely unfair, Cornac Human Adventurers get 3 Generic Points and no Race Category(s) to start by default, all the other Races get 4 Generic Points as well as their Race Category to start. !?

(Btw, I'm not confusing Generic with Category points, the Category Point setting is fair imho, what's not fair are the Generic points. If the Cornac spends that one extra Category Point to activate a Category then you see the unfairness right off, a Cornac then has 3 Generics and others have 4 Generics at that moment.)

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I think non-Adventurer Cornacs don't get extra, they get the same - they start with 1 extra Category Point, but then they don't start with an unlocked Race Tree because they don't have one. It seems this is exacerbated with Adventurer Cornacs, or it could be a bug.

I don't see a problem. 8 category points, 3 generic and 5 class points. That's enough to unlock 3 generic trees and 5 class trees and put a point into each.

I see. The OP must have confused generic points with category points, and then I just assumed category points.

Please, I'm not confusing Generic with Category points, the Category Point setting is fair imho, what's not fair are the Generic points. If the Cornac spends that one extra Category Point to activate a Category then you see the unfairness right off, a Cornac then has 3 Generics and others have 4 Generics at that moment.

does cornac gets to spend that 1 generic for other classes?

well, the think about racial, is that they are things they were sort of born with. they didn't have to learn them.
cornac doesn't have that one extra skill, and instead, he has flexibility.

although, if they end up getting that 1 point, i wont complain.

Well, the others get a hell'of a bonus, only i don't see that as fair; or better put, i see little reason to take that additional point loss in gameplay and play as a Cornac Adventurer. Why should it suck to be a human(?), that point is needed at the start to be fair imho, otherwise things do get unbalanced for them.

Racially speaking, afaik all the races get 4 Generics at start (i know Higher & Yeek do), what's the racial issue with Cornac Humans having one less point, i really thought their difference was being born with no Racial Category, so they get to choose one with that extra Category Point, but why the Generic Point loss as well?

Because they get a flipping category point instead and save generics because they DON'T have a racial tree.

Really, that's your point, I just don't see the logic there, how are they saving Generics?

To put it bluntly, I think you're over-valuing that extra generic point:

1) By level fifty, cornac adventures generally have 45-50 generic points. Is there really ever a situation where one generic point means the difference?

2) The extra category point easily makes up for the generic point. Even if you see the others races as "using the category point for the racial tree," cornac's can use that category point for a different talent tree. This basically means that cornacs can be more flexible with what talent trees they want, which is a pretty good deal for only one generic point.

Well, it's a pretty good deal for being Cornac human to replace the Racial Tree for a choice at any another tree, and that +1 fairness Generic Point i mention in this thread won't matter at Level 50, but it sure as heck does at Level 1 when you start off.

It's pretty clearly a deficit that i though it was a BUG, but i guess i'm being put in front of the well-entrenched status quo, i thought my logic would enlighten things, at least Radon26 said he won't complain if Cornacs get that point...

Who makes the decisions on bugs for all this? I can just say that Cornacs drop to the bottom of my Adventuring Race list without a fix, possibly also for my playing list completely if this error/glitch/over-sight/bug or whatever, does not get resolved in a fair balancing way.

Well, that's your opinion and you are entitled to it.

Cor'e =) wrote:Really, that's your point, I just don't see the logic there, how are they saving Generics?

They save generics by not having a racial tree. Cmon, if you have a racial tree... You are going to put points into it.

I agree, like ANY Category, only as a Cornac you get 1 less Generic Point to do that.

But what can be unlocked by a category point doesn't have to be a generic. Look, it might be an oversight, it might be intended or it might just be spaghetti code, I don't think, even in early game, that one less generic point severely impacts play. Unless you really need phase door level 5.