ToME: the Tales of Maj'Eyal

I just gave my golem celestial/light category (boosted its cun through items and gems mostly, then spent about 10 points in cunning to qualify). Celestial golems ftw...

Anyway, I don't think golems should be able to learn prodigies, since it's too good and too easy to abuse.

I not sure how this can be abused.

Giving your golem a prodigy is generally much less effective that awarding it to your alchemist. How will the golem use it's celestial/light category without generic talent points?

Edit: I think I have misunderstood you as saying that an alchemist can give his prodigy to his golem. But since a golem can get it's own prodigies (with some other sacrifices) it might not be intended. Are the damage qualifiers for various prodigies checked independently for the golem and alchemist?

Hachem_Muche wrote:I not sure how this can be abused.

Giving your golem a prodigy is generally much less effective that awarding it to your alchemist. How will the golem use it's celestial/light category without generic talent points?

It gets generic points, but no categories to use them.

Hachem_Muche wrote: Edit: I think I have misunderstood you as saying that an alchemist can give his prodigy to his golem. But since a golem can get it's own prodigies (with some other sacrifices) it might not be intended. Are the damage qualifiers for various prodigies checked independently for the golem and alchemist?

I should have been more clear - it gets its own prodigies and it shouldn't. The damage qualifiers are calculated separately as far as I can tell but:

1) Golems have 20 stamina using talents so they qualify for those
2) Golems have 20 mana using talents so they qualify for those
3) Golems have eye lasers which do elemental damage, and spare rune slots can be filled with heat and lightning beam runes, which means they end up qualifying for elemental damage
4) They have 2 gem slots and can wear armor. That's 3x+5 stat gems giving you +15. With a base of 10, they start at +25. If you can get +15 to a stat from armor and weapon (not that hard on t5 gear), you can invest 10 of the golems points and qualify for anything, stat wise.

So, qualifying for most prodigies isn't hard for a golem, if you're willing to put some work into it.
In the ID, they even auto qualify for quest ones.

Right now my golem with celestial/light in the ID can tank and kill elites without my interference. I plan to give it the one that adds Magic stat to all weapons on level 50, just to see how silly this can get.

I just cleared an Alchemist entirely through the 43b prerelease main campaign.

Golem couldn't learn Prodigies. Never got any points for them, ever. Couldn't use the Alchemist's points for them either.

I was, in fact, quite disappointed that he doesn't. I'd kinda like him to get one at 50, though maybe that's for a more long term overhaul of Alchemist, when you can nerf them without totally gutting them... But that's a side issue.

Golem always could learn Celestial/Light, to boot, by giving him as many Generic rewards as possible and giving him the category from an Escort, then using Wyrm Blood on him. And...he doesn't get Generic points through leveling, normally. He's sitting on 0 of them right now, on that cleared file, which is all I've ever heard anyone talking about him getting. Since obviously you could easily abuse Wyrm's Blood to get a large bonus in a Generic category, otherwise, so a fair deal of builds would do it.

Are you sure this isn't some ID-only anomaly?

Edit: As to the theoretical exercise of what a Golem qualifies for(Which, yes, are calculated separately... I kinda thought Golem did get Prodigies so I was paying attention to things like this. ), a Golem does not get 20 points in Stamina or Spells without dumping every single Class point they get, along with several Class boosting items, into one or the other category, from what I recall from mathing it out, in the main campaign. They just can't manage to get the 20 class points otherwise. It's probably not worth losing the excellent Eye Beams/Molten Skin or the ability to close the distance fast with the physical skills to get a specific Prodigy.

They can fulfill the stat and elemental reqs, but there's literally two Prodigies I consider actually good for them, that they're likely to get-Arcane Might and Irresistable Sun. At least, in the main campaign. Assuming they can learn them, which they couldn't for me, because they never got points.

SageAcrin wrote:I just cleared an Alchemist entirely through the 43b prerelease main campaign.

Golem couldn't learn Prodigies. Never got any points for them, ever. Couldn't use the Alchemist's points for them either.

Further testing confirms it, this only happens in the ID. Golem there gets both generic points and prodigies. Weird.