ToME: the Tales of Maj'Eyal

This picture speaks for itself. I entered dreadfell level 8 and...well...this I encountered....



well lets just say, Im pretty sure im dead!

yep. dead in 1 round.

The RNG hates you.

this should be changed. this is one of those situations where there is NOTHING I could possibly do. I swapped my phase door rune for teleport rune, but the down stairs were still in the same room so the only life I had left after dying in 1 round I still couldnt make any progress. Nests shouldnt be able to appear in the same room as you enter the dungeon. 1 room away is tolerable, when its the same room there is no way to prepare, no options you can use, nothing.

Correct me if I am wrong, but couldn't you immediately phase/teleport away? This is obviously suboptimal since you won't know where else you would land, but at least it would be away from that nest (since there is no empty space). If you aren't able to phase/teleport immediately you can always run back up the stairs and prepare there.

Sradac wrote:yep. dead in 1 round.

Really? :/
Did you haven't the chance of teleport first? It's what I do in disastrous entrances. Or go up again? (problem would sustain however)

EDITED Only read that now seems yufra does the same tactics

yufra wrote:Correct me if I am wrong, but couldn't you immediately phase/teleport away? This is obviously suboptimal since you won't know where else you would land, but at least it would be away from that nest (since there is no empty space). If you aren't able to phase/teleport immediately you can always run back up the stairs and prepare there.

Teleport is ok if it's guaranteed to work (the landing spot can't be as bad, right?). In fact, I can't see anything else to do in such situation, unless you're a Berserker and use Unstoppable (invisibility could work too, if you remove your light source). Going back up only postpones the problem... but if you lack some teleport means, at least you can go back to a town and buy a rune.

Teleport wands are ideal for this sort of circumstance - I also carry a few, especially going into Dreadfell.

It seems wrong that you *have* to resort to this though, especially if you're trying a true anti-magic challenge game (not the pansy version implemented where you go magic-crazy right after you secure the talent tree).

like I said, I did teleport away. but the stairs down happened to be in the same room as the stairs up, so I had no option to avoid the nest either way. if it was just the down room ok thats fine, at least I didnt start in the same room as then and I can use the hall to filter them down

So wait a minute, was that 1 room the full dungeon?

PowerWyrm wrote:Going back up only postpones the problem...

Not exactly. If you return a certain amount of turns(600-800 by default I think) spent elsewhere, monsters and items on the levle will have been re-generated(well, except for uniques).

Doesn't apply to vaults(at least, for items), but I don't think a nest counts, so in this case, usign the stairs and waiting COULD have solved this I think.

im not sure, I went up two floors because that always seem to clear floors for me, 2 floors up everything respawned, I came back down and nest was still there. it may not have been long enough, or it may not work on nests.

Got an alternative solution to situations like this one not using teleport:

" - Give me a break guys. Smoke time.", you say.
" - "That's ok, we will meanwhile order your grave", someone shouts back in the mob crowd.
you put hands in your pockets, simulating not finding what you want," - Cigarettes anyone?, seems I'm out" you stare at them:
" - Don't look to us, does it seem we can carry cigarettes anywhere in our bones?" says one of the skeletons.
(general mob laugh)
" - Erm, can at least go shop a packet then?" you reply.
" - Well yeah, you about to die, you have right to a last cigarrete, spite of that is bad for your health"
(general mob nodding )
" - You are a great bunch, I will right back "
So you start to dig the wall, cross it, walk away and shout from some distance:
" - Do you want I bring something from the shop?",
" - Ya, please, bring some band-aids or mummy wraps, there is always a very small chance that you made on some of us some minor scratches...", someone in the room yells,
(general mob laugh again)
" - Okey Dokey" is heard fading in the room...

and so you happilly explore the rest of the floor leaving your new friends unharmed.

Then one of you reading this will reply:
"-Hey, that was a PERMAWALL, your nice story fails ONLY there PAL, that couldn't ever happen"