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Tinkers and schematics...

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:56 pm
by jenx
A series of dumb questions, from an otherwise experienced player lol:

1. Why don't schematic levels match tinker levels? This had me stumped for ages, as I started to make tinkers higher than the level of research. This wasn't expected from the descriptions.
2. How are you supposed to know if you should raise the talent level of physics or chemistry, because you don't know what schematic is what level. Am I missing something here?
3. I obviously did something to unlock tinkers in the main campaign - people say I must have killed the sunwall boss with two different classes - is there an achievement for this? I don't ever remember seeing it.
4. Now that I have tinkers in the main campaign, how rare/common are schematics? I'm playing on madness, and they seem fairly common to me.
5. Can you find all schematics in the main campaign?
6. If you learn a schematic, does its name appear in the list for the next new character you create?

That's it for now!

Re: Tinkers and schematics...

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 1:09 pm
by ster
1. Tinkers would be an unholy generic sink if you needed 5 in each to make T5 tinkers. Other than that not entirely sure.
2. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 1439304112 has all the tinkers listed, and if you actually know the schematic you can check how much skill you need there (if you're buying them from a shop no, it isn't shown yet)
3. There's an achievement for getting to that point in the game which is somewhat related (Across the Narrow Sea) but otherwise no.
4. Schematics are fairly common (i have a couple tinker wins and all of them got every relevant schematic) IME, though good injectors are rare if you use salves
5. You can't get any of the artifact tinkers like Power Armor or Hands of Creation in AoA, though you might be able to vault them from EoR. Brain Cap and Brain Flare are currently obtainable in AoA but can't be made. Other than that everything is in.
6. No, schematics have to be relearned for every character.

Re: Tinkers and schematics...

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 1:19 pm
by jenx
Thanks.

I know they have to be relearned for every character, that wasn't my question. I want to know, once you've learned a schematic, does it appear in the list in the character skill screen, where the tinkers for each talent are listed. My lists seem to be growing longer at each new character creation, but I could be mistaken.

Why do I need to look up a google doc to find this info? It should be in the wiki, which has nothing on schematics whatsoever, or in a spoiler....

Re: Tinkers and schematics...

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 1:34 pm
by jenx
New question:

8. Can you find a schematic if you haven't got the required level, to learn it once you do have the level? If you can, you could get 1/1/1/0 in physics and chemistry initially, collect them all, and then upgrade as required. If not, you are best off upgrading as fast as you can I guess, in order to find them asap - is that right?

Re: Tinkers and schematics...

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 1:48 pm
by ster
jenx wrote:New question:

8. Can you find a schematic if you haven't got the required level, to learn it once you do have the level? If you can, you could get 1/1/1/0 in physics and chemistry initially, collect them all, and then upgrade as required. If not, you are best off upgrading as fast as you can I guess, in order to find them asap - is that right?
Yeah, you can get schema without having the level for them.