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Almost no escorts?
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:03 pm
by Kaerwek
On my last character, only one Escort quest appeared in the early dungeons, and that one died due to a spit boucing from my character to him, instantly killing him.
Kind of annoying that I can't get extra talents or other from Escort quests now. Are escort appearance completely luck based or?
Re: Almost no escorts?
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:10 pm
by Doctornull
You ought to get 9 escorts every game.
If you don't get them as expected:
- Walk back through Kor'pul and Dreadfell, they can fail to spawn due to entry rooms having closed doors on your first trip through, walking back through with doors open will allow them to spawn.
- Haven't done Dreadfell yet? There may be a bunch waiting in there for you.
- There's one dungeon after Dreadfell which can have up to 2 Escorts.
Re: Almost no escorts?
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:59 pm
by grobblewobble
I have a related question. Once you've done a few starter dungeons, you can skip the first levels of the rest of them (you walk past them, right to the final level).
So do you need to walk back through those levels if you don't want to miss escorts?
Re: Almost no escorts?
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:28 pm
by Faeryan
Just bad luck. If you reach Reknor with less than 7 escorts you really should go back and auto explore the escortee dungeons again.
Re: Almost no escorts?
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:04 pm
by Doctornull
Edit: Mewtarthio explains this better below.
Re: Almost no escorts?
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:12 pm
by Faeryan
Sure about that Doc? I can't remember when I last had escorts in Kor'Pul and I dare say I've never had escorts in Heart of Gloom.
Re: Almost no escorts?
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:17 pm
by Mewtarthio
It's the first two tier 1 dungeons you explore out of the following list:
- Heart of the Gloom
- Norgos's Lair
- Kor'Pul
- Scintillating Caves
- Trollmire
Once you've visited two dungeons from the list, they're "set," and you won't find escorts in the other zones. You can find escorts on levels 1 and 2 of the Heart of the Gloom and Kor'Pul or on levels 2 and 3 of the other dungeons.
The nine escorts are distributed randomly among the above four levels and the following sixteen levels:
- Daikara 1 and 2
- Old Forest 1 through 4
- Dreadfell 1 through 8
- Reknor 1 and 2
That's the Reknor you go to after Dreadfell, by the way: The dwarven starter dungeon has no escorts.
Re: Almost no escorts?
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:55 pm
by Doctornull
Faeryan wrote:Sure about that Doc? I can't remember when I last had escorts in Kor'Pul and I dare say I've never had escorts in Heart of Gloom.
Go to the Heart of the Gloom as your 2nd dungeon, instead of doing all the easier zones first.
Mewtarthio wrote:The nine escorts are distributed randomly among the above four levels and the following eight levels:
- Daikara 1 and 2
- Old Forest 1 and 4
- Dreadfell 1 and 8
- Reknor 1 and 2
Dreadfell can have up to eight escorts, from levels 1 through 8, not limited to just levels 1 and 8.
Similarly, Old Forest escorts do not appear only on levels 1 and 4.
This is pretty clear if you look through a few high-level characters at random in the character vault.
Re: Almost no escorts?
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 7:02 pm
by Faeryan
Go to the Heart of the Gloom as your 2nd dungeon, instead of doing all the easier zones first.
Must have misunderstood the post then since I understood that you're certain to have 1 or 2 of your escorts in K'P or HoG.
Re: Almost no escorts?
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 7:34 pm
by Doctornull
Faeryan wrote: Go to the Heart of the Gloom as your 2nd dungeon, instead of doing all the easier zones first.
Must have misunderstood the post then since I understood that you're certain to have 1 or 2 of your escorts in K'P or HoG.
K'P is one of the two dungeons where an Escort can be allocated but not generated (unless you are always careful to walk out instead of using the Rod).
So it's quite possible to never see an escort in either, if you had one but it was allocated in K'P and then you went to Gloom and oh gosh, none left to allocate for t1.2, which I guess is what always happens to you?
If you want to see proof that escorts do generate in Heart of Gloom, to contradict your presumption back in
Faeryan wrote: dare say I've never had escorts in Heart of Gloom.
... you can check some Thalore characters in the vault.
Here, I'll do the work for you:
http://te4.org/characters/116662/tome/b ... b036d23339
Re: Almost no escorts?
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:40 pm
by Mewtarthio
Doctornull wrote:Dreadfell can have up to eight escorts, from levels 1 through 8, not limited to just levels 1 and 8.
Similarly, Old Forest escorts do not appear only on levels 1 and 4.
This is pretty clear if you look through a few high-level characters at random in the character vault.
...Right. That was remarkably careless of me. Fixed.
Re: Almost no escorts?
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:11 pm
by Doctornull
Mewtarthio wrote:...Right. That was remarkably careless of me. Fixed.
Meh, mistakes happen.
On the subject, perhaps you can correct me: it looks to me like "tier1.1" and "tier1.2" are separate entities, but I don't know exactly how that 1.1 and 1.2 thing gets assigned. Is it the first two zones you visit? If so, where in the code does that happen?
Thanks!
Re: Almost no escorts?
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:19 pm
by Mewtarthio
Doctornull wrote:On the subject, perhaps you can correct me: it looks to me like "tier1.1" and "tier1.2" are separate entities, but I don't know exactly how that 1.1 and 1.2 thing gets assigned. Is it the first two zones you visit? If so, where in the code does that happen?
It's in Player.lua, in the onEnterLevel function:
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if zone.tier1_escort then
escort_zone_offset = zone.tier1_escort - 1
self.entered_tier1_zones = self.entered_tier1_zones or {}
self.entered_tier1_zones.seen = self.entered_tier1_zones.seen or {}
self.entered_tier1_zones.nb = self.entered_tier1_zones.nb or 0
if not self.entered_tier1_zones.seen[zone.short_name] then
self.entered_tier1_zones.nb = self.entered_tier1_zones.nb + 1
self.entered_tier1_zones.seen[zone.short_name] = self.entered_tier1_zones.nb
end
escort_zone_name = "tier1."..self.entered_tier1_zones.seen[zone.short_name]
print("Entering tier1 zone for escort", escort_zone_name, escort_zone_offset, level.level - escort_zone_offset)
if self.random_escort_levels and self.random_escort_levels[escort_zone_name] then
table.print(self.random_escort_levels[escort_zone_name])
end
end
The meaningful bit here is the part where it overwrites escort_zone_name (the default is the zone's short name), which gets checked later in the function to actually trigger the quest.
Re: Almost no escorts?
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:12 pm
by Doctornull
Mewtarthio wrote:The meaningful bit here is the part where it overwrites escort_zone_name (the default is the zone's short name), which gets checked later in the function to actually trigger the quest.
You are awesome, thanks!
Re: Almost no escorts?
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 12:39 am
by HousePet
The only time you can be skipped past escort due to the zone being so easy is when you are a Yeek.