ToME: the Tales of Maj'Eyal

I have not noticed a dungeon boss fail to drop an artifact. Can they not?

I believe in beta18 it is possible for bosses to not drop artifacts if there are no level appropriate artifacts left in the item pool. This means that people who scum or naturally play slower are more likely to find the last teen-level dungeon (Maze, OF, Daikara, SWL) they visit to be empty of artifacts since they have already found everything.

I feel as though that if the check fails to generate a random artifact due to there being none left for the player levels pool - then they should force drop their 'designated' artifact. If that artifact is currently in the possession of the player - then they should be forced to drop greater egos.

He was speaking specifically of randarts. No world artifact is considered 'beginner' or have a player level restriction. They are kind of restricted based on the level of the zone you are in.

Gandolfo wrote:That can't be true since I found nothing on Ruatha and have NOT found all the beginner area artifacts. (Never have seen Girdle of Might for example on this character and I know there are others, certainly didn't find the egg that sometimes drops from Ruatha.)

Actually...it could have spawned in a zone without you noticing it. As artifacts don't decay...

Zonk wrote:

Gandolfo wrote:That can't be true since I found nothing on Ruatha and have NOT found all the beginner area artifacts. (Never have seen Girdle of Might for example on this character and I know there are others, certainly didn't find the egg that sometimes drops from Ruatha.)

Actually...it could have spawned in a zone without you noticing it. As artifacts don't decay...

Really?!? I guess when I get another serious character going I'll have to scour every inch of every dungeon then.

Gandolfo wrote:

yufra wrote:I believe in beta18 it is possible for bosses to not drop artifacts if there are no level appropriate artifacts left in the item pool. This means that people who scum or naturally play slower are more likely to find the last teen-level dungeon (Maze, OF, Daikara, SWL) they visit to be empty of artifacts since they have already found everything.

That can't be true since I found nothing on Ruatha and have NOT found all the beginner area artifacts. (Never have seen Girdle of Might for example on this character and I know there are others, certainly didn't find the egg that sometimes drops from Ruatha.)

Basic logic: "if A then B" does not lead to "if not A then not B". If Rantha did not drop artifacts (B) and there are still level appropriate artifacts (not A) that does not disprove "if A then B". It does of course indicate that other things may cause B, which may be what you mean by "can't be true." The reason I emphasis this is I tend to read your statements as strong, bordering on confrontational. That could be my fault, and even if you mean to come across that way that is your prerogative. It may help to re-read your posts before submitting them.

So it looks like there is another cause of Rantha not dropping artifacts. Gandolfo (and others) can you give me more information? Was Daikara the last zone you visited in the second set of dungeons? What level were you when you entered Daikara for the first time? If you have a savefile right after Rantha (or any other boss) fails to drop artifacts that could be helpful, too. That would let me check if the artifacts are indeed available, and if they are why they did not drop. The savefile would also help me check Zonk's suggestion.

Gandolfo wrote: I tend to be a bit blunt and I guess I can come off as arrogant but am not intending to be nasty about it. If you felt I was, I apologize.

The internet is a poor medium for communication, and tone can be difficult to read. Glad we got that cleared up.

As far as info: I was level 18, Daikara was the last of the 4, and I don't have the save file you need since I have since progressed long past that. (Now delving the dreadfell.) Next time it happens I will make a note of it and copy the save folder. You will need to specify what files you want from it since the whole tends to be over 90mb.

Yup, the savefile is big. I'll check which files I need later...

Ok, it looks like the boss not dropping an artifact bug may have been identified and should be fixed soon. Cross your fingers for beta19.