ToME: the Tales of Maj'Eyal

Distortion stops hurting thought-forms at level 5 and psychic assault ignores them. It doesn't seem consistent then that dream hammer damages them. Now that I have dream hammer up and running, the thought-form is useless as I kill it in 1-2 hits every time.

So I suggest making dream hammer like distortion, whereby talent level 4 in first talent means it doesn't hurt your own party members.

Yes please.

In case DG is thinking about making this change, I"ve discovered something interesting. You can hit your thought form with forge echoes, and do massive AoE damage. This is very handy, even it destroys your thought form, as it mostly does. So my preference would be to be able to still hit it with forge echoes, but it takes no damage!!!


I think that's called wanting to have my cake and eat it too!.

Forge Echoes doesn't hit the thought form unless you attack them directly. If you're suggesting you should be able to hide behind your thought form and hit them with your hammer in order to trigger an echo without dealing damage to the thought form the answer is no. While that's a smart strategy it isn't one that should come without a cost.

The only other Dream Hammer talent that this is even an issue for is Hammer Toss and personally I think managing a single beam attack so it doesn't hit your allies isn't asking for much from the player.

edge2054 wrote:The only other Dream Hammer talent that this is even an issue for is Hammer Toss and personally I think managing a single beam attack so it doesn't hit your allies isn't asking for much from the player.

My experience was that thoughtforms would keep walking into its return path in open areas, and corridors made either your thoughtforms or hammer toss useless.

edge2054 wrote:Forge Echoes doesn't hit the thought form unless you attack them directly. If you're suggesting you should be able to hide behind your thought form and hit them with your hammer in order to trigger an echo without dealing damage to the thought form the answer is no. While that's a smart strategy it isn't one that should come without a cost.

The only other Dream Hammer talent that this is even an issue for is Hammer Toss and personally I think managing a single beam attack so it doesn't hit your allies isn't asking for much from the player.

ok - then I'd rather be able to hit them to trigger echoes. That is way more important, because the fundamental problems with the dream hammer tree, which I enjoy, are twofold: the dream hammer toss triggers on hit for every strike, making amax possible 20 times on hit reaction against your player, and because the other three talents require an adjacent foe/thoughtform.

Mental Tyrany solved this for me

Once I activated it, neither my hammer toss or my meteoric crash was hurting my thought forms any more.

loimprevisto wrote:Mental Tyrany solved this for me

Once I activated it, neither my hammer toss or my meteoric crash was hurting my thought forms any more.

so are you saying they have 100% mind resistance, and I never noticed !!!!! ??

I don't think it's 100% mind resist, I think it's just that your own mind attacks won't hurt them... my thought forms have been a LOT more survivable lately.