ToME: the Tales of Maj'Eyal

I didn't know there would be a 1.1.5 so soon after 1.1.4
Anyone know what's in this update?

Probably fixes for stuff in 1.1.4

Probably mainly to remove the controverisial Breeding Pit zone.

Controversial, you say? My rule of thumb regarding controversial and games is offer two versions: one with and one without. How hard is it to keep x zone blocked off or nonexistent?

Or offer ye mod! Ye Controversy Mod!

the notes are posted already on te4.org, I'm sure they'll be here soon. You're both right, some fixes and no more breeding pits.

RKade8583 wrote:Controversial, you say? My rule of thumb regarding controversial and games is offer two versions: one with and one without. How hard is it to keep x zone blocked off or nonexistent?

Or offer ye mod! Ye Controversy Mod!

Working on it. Should be out tomorrow or the day after depending on when I find the time to make it. (Barring Darkgod offering an explicit order forbidding it)

shonen wrote:the notes are posted already on te4.org, I'm sure they'll be here soon. You're both right, some fixes and no more breeding pits.

Reason for no announcement is here: http://forums.te4.org/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=40066

Crim, The Red Thunder wrote: Working on it. Should be out tomorrow or the day after depending on when I find the time to make it. (Barring Darkgod offering an explicit order forbidding it)

Holy crap! An idea I had was implemented... That's another thing TOME and ADOM have in common. Biskup made big font options for my craptacular eye.

breeding pits are GONE?! dafuq

One problem with the breeding pits is that it made the player feel like an utter CAD for not helping the orcs. And yet, siding with the orcs isn't really an option. Nor is there a storyline available for the player to make peace between orcs and the other races.

RKade8583 wrote:

Crim, The Red Thunder wrote: Working on it. Should be out tomorrow or the day after depending on when I find the time to make it. (Barring Darkgod offering an explicit order forbidding it)

Holy crap! An idea I had was implemented... That's another thing TOME and ADOM have in common. Biskup made big font options for my craptacular eye.

I should point out that I'm not a developer. I'm just the jerk who's going to put them back in via an addon, so people can have a choice about using it or not.

SmallTownGuy wrote:One problem with the breeding pits is that it made the player feel like an utter CAD for not helping the orcs. And yet, siding with the orcs isn't really an option. Nor is there a storyline available for the player to make peace between orcs and the other races.

The problem here is, the orcs really don't want peace. If it helps you feel less of a cad, there is a FUTURE for the orcs, because we have a sequel campaign forthcoming for orcs. In the words of Richard Pryor "I'm not dead yet m**********er!". There's also a fifth pride of orcs not seen in all the game (openly). (The orc fighting Fillarel is a member of this pride, going by the lore) They could theoretically make there way towards a more peaceful resolution in the future, but the extremely militant minded orcs fixated on nothing but revenge and destruction (not entirely without reason) are not going to sit down for peace.

I think way back a way to help the orcs and side with that member of Kruk Pride in the fight against Fillarel was planned, but either scrapped, or never got made. Wish it would be.

Crim, The Red Thunder wrote: Working on it. Should be out tomorrow or the day after depending on when I find the time to make it. (Barring Darkgod offering an explicit order forbidding it)

... is this still a go, or did DG give the thumbs down?

SmallTownGuy wrote:One problem with the breeding pits is that it made the player feel like an utter CAD for not helping the orcs. And yet, siding with the orcs isn't really an option. Nor is there a storyline available for the player to make peace between orcs and the other races.

I don't really get this, or at least I don't get why it's been such an issue. I appreciate all the work that went into the original story and have always been ok with the "orcs are the bad guys/monsters" narrative. Every story needs a bad guy, right? Disappointed that it got to this point, but an add-on would be a welcome compromise. Nothing against the "orc-sympathizers", just trying to give some appreciation & speak up for the side that doesn't seem to be heard quite as often.

Funny thing.. I bet that the same people who are against orc child killing are going to download the possible add-on that brings it back and happily whack away at the orcs, for the xp.

It's just in people's nature to complain about things, but if the very thing they're complaining about gives them any harm then they're really pissed.

Compare these people with the people who demand government should give money and food to poor third world countries, yet if they're supposed to donate that money or food they go Hell No!

shonen wrote:

Crim, The Red Thunder wrote: Working on it. Should be out tomorrow or the day after depending on when I find the time to make it. (Barring Darkgod offering an explicit order forbidding it)

... is this still a go, or did DG give the thumbs down?

So it was written, so it has been done. Voila!

Crim, The Red Thunder wrote:
So it was written, so it has been done. Voila!

Thanks Crim!!!

Mayfair wrote:Funny thing.. I bet that the same people who are against orc child killing are going to download the possible add-on that brings it back and happily whack away at the orcs, for the xp.

You'd lose that bet. I haven't even gotten that far yet, and just from the descriptions alone, I'd already decided that even the ever-pressing need for more XP and better equipment wasn't enough to force me through a zone like that.

...Wait, most of my characters are still pre-1.1.5; the pits aren't mandatory in those versions, are they?