ToME: the Tales of Maj'Eyal

Was there a nerf to wilder summons or a change to monster stats? Especially trolls and bears seem significantly more difficult to kill now.

I did not touch wilders.

All NPCs leveling got changed but it should be better not worse for the most parts.
All critter & normal rank monsters have had a reduction in HP and stats

I could have just gotten unlucky with leveled trolls or something. I was getting hit for 50ish damage on level one of the troll fells.

Ahh trolls sorry missed that.
Trolls were actually bugged in in beta1, their damage did not increase with their strength

It looks like they also drop gold now too. I don't remember anything dropping it before. I never went much past the first two dungeons though. They seem to drop quite a lot of it too.

Yes an other hidden bug that was fixed, but probably drops too much now

There might be slightly too much gold now. I'm still not sure what the balance is supposed to be.

The beta2 monsters are definitely improved. I had a couple run-ins with powerful beasties (a Hummerhorn in the Trollshaws did in one of my chars; I think there was a Huorn or something that killed the other, but it went by so fast...), but mostly I was fighting area-appropriate things. And the mice often have single-digit HP! It was most refreshing.

I actually beat Bill with 2 different characters, one of which is a freshly-unlocked Wilder (thanks to something that my last Slinger faced). I still haven't managed to survive that starting dungeon, though... dear gods. So many traps. So many spellcasting and ranged-attacking monsters. So many situations where you are suddenly right next to a monster due to the tight corridors and sharp corners... well, maybe Gene Wilder will be the first, although I still think a Fighter would be better suited to that terrain.

I dont have much problems getting warriors (Figthers to be precise) out of amon sul, I stay in tunnels, as long as I am not surrouded and I keep my stun for dangerous things it is fine

What wilder class ?

There's more than one? Summoner, apparently.

Yes there is an other unlockable wilder class
You'll encounter it later

you are suddenly right next to a monster due to the tight corridors and sharp corners

You're going to LOVE the maze!

greycat wrote:I still haven't managed to survive that starting dungeon, though... maybe Gene Wilder will be the first

Nope, that char's still alive on a different machine, but the first char to make it through the dungeon happens to be a slinger. Go hobbits!