1.4.3 Temporal Warden Guide: The hybrid killing machine

[bpat]

Just won Insane with a completely different build. Here's a link to my character. My talent points are shown below. A lot of points are unspent because I didn't find anything else necessary. In retrospect Vigilance should have been at least 3/5 but I made do without.

1/3/1/2 Blade Threading
1/1/1/2 Bow Threading
1/2/1/1 Temporal Combat
5/3/1/1 Temporal Guardian
1/1/1/3 Threaded Combat
0/0/0/0 Spacetime Folding
0/0/0/0 Speed Control
1/5/0/0 Stasis

1/5/1/5 Shalore
5/3/3/0/0 Combat Training
1/1/1/0 Chronomancy
1/1/1/5 Fate Weaving
3/1/0/0 Spacetime Weaving

My category point order was Fate Weaving -> Threaded Combat -> Stasis -> Inscription slot. Webs of Fate is amazing and it alone is worth the category point. It has crazy uptime with Timeless and Invigorate and it's instant. My Inscriptions were Movement, Regeneration, Reflection, and Heroism. My prodigies were Arcane Might and Pain Enhancement System which work amazingly well with each other, with Heroism I was passing 160 Magic.

Melee set used Spelldrinker which is the best offhand for this class in my opinion because no matter what you use, it's not going to do good damage. An amnesia/gloom randart dagger could also be good when you don't need Disperse Magic. Ranged set used the best on-hit effects I could find (gloom and amnesia).

I'll do a more in-depth writeup later but I believe this build's shell to be close to optimal for difficulties below Madness, with spare points leftover to fill in stuff like Vigilance and Seal Fate.

[jenx]

Just won Insane with a completely different build. Here's a link to my character. My talent points are shown below. A lot of points are unspent because I didn't find anything else necessary. In retrospect Vigilance should have been at least 3/5 but I made do without.

1/3/1/2 Blade Threading
1/1/1/2 Bow Threading
1/2/1/1 Temporal Combat
5/3/1/1 Temporal Guardian
1/1/1/3 Threaded Combat
0/0/0/0 Spacetime Folding
0/0/0/0 Speed Control
1/5/0/0 Stasis

1/5/1/5 Shalore
5/3/3/0/0 Combat Training
1/1/1/0 Chronomancy
1/1/1/5 Fate Weaving
3/1/0/0 Spacetime Weaving

My category point order was Fate Weaving -> Threaded Combat -> Stasis -> Inscription slot. Webs of Fate is amazing and it alone is worth the category point. It has crazy uptime with Timeless and Invigorate and it's instant. My Inscriptions were Movement, Regeneration, Reflection, and Heroism. My prodigies were Arcane Might and Pain Enhancement System which work amazingly well with each other, with Heroism I was passing 160 Magic.

Melee set used Spelldrinker which is the best offhand for this class in my opinion because no matter what you use, it's not going to do good damage. An amnesia/gloom randart dagger could also be good when you don't need Disperse Magic. Ranged set used the best on-hit effects I could find (gloom and amnesia).

I'll do a more in-depth writeup later but I believe this build's shell to be close to optimal for difficulties below Madness, with spare points leftover to fill in stuff like Vigilance and Seal Fate.

So, which is more powerful, temporal warden or paradox mage?

[HammyHamster]

Good to see even more build variety, bpat, and nice win!

(Shalore power )

Note the Prodigy Pain Enhancement System is an Embers addition and some may not have it. (I don't). It looks like quite a nice boost, though.

Melee set used Spelldrinker which is the best offhand

If it drops, it is definitely good on some bosses - over time the 15% eventually removes some sustains (~ 1 every 7 hits). My generally preferred offhand is a cripple on-crit dagger; I tend to aim for pretty high phys crit which works out to near 100% on melee. And not many mobs have Spine of the World.

Early to mid game, I liked the Unerring Scalpel in the offhand for killing invisible enemies like shalore mages, cultists, guards and rogues(maze, tunnels). It's good on some High Peak invisible bosses too. Unerring drops fairly often.


>Now that I think of it and I never checked - does the warden/clone use your proc effects or just your damage for attacks? That may make Warden's call even more potent.


Also, Did you carry on and test it out with Atamathon? (he's crit immune and Spelldrinker might work quite well on him). Obviously he's not important, but could be a nice how-to addition for strategy guides.


P.S. And bpat, link your Insane final fight video to this guide - it's very applicable for a guide.

[bpat]

Link to my final battle recording. I'm not sure if Flexible Combat procs with Warden's Call but if it does that would be the next best offense choice if you don't have EoR. Vital Shot or Windblade could be alright, or a defensive prodigy. If Spelldrinker doesn't drop, then the next best would probably be Shantiz, then a good on-hit effect (gloom, amnesia, or cripple), then a good defensive one. Unerring Scalpel is good early but late you will probably want a Perfect Strike pick. I didn't do anything after the final bosses so I haven't tested Atamathon.

[Hatome]

Hey Bpat I feel like I am missing something. Your category point order included 4 items but your character was shalore. How did you get the 4th character point?

[bpat]

At some point fairly late you get an item that gives you an extra category point.

[tabs]

Won on Nightmare (Adventure) using this guide and all the helpful comments in the thread.

http://te4.org/characters/190198/tome/4 ... d3d2cd7b3a

This was second attempt (first was on normal) and it took me a while to understand that arrows are the way to go in the lategame.

[RARaines]

PES has not been addressed. Where does it fit on the prodigy ranking?

[San0ix]

PES has not been addressed. Where does it fit on the prodigy ranking?

It should be a pretty good, maybe even the best, offensive prodigy because you can trigger it off of Warden's Focus.

[jenx]

Link to my final battle recording. I'm not sure if Flexible Combat procs with Warden's Call but if it does that would be the next best offense choice if you don't have EoR. Vital Shot or Windblade could be alright, or a defensive prodigy. If Spelldrinker doesn't drop, then the next best would probably be Shantiz, then a good on-hit effect (gloom, amnesia, or cripple), then a good defensive one. Unerring Scalpel is good early but late you will probably want a Perfect Strike pick. I didn't do anything after the final bosses so I haven't tested Atamathon.

Flexible Combat does proc with Wardens Call

And with any talent where a warden does melee.

[Snakers]

I won for the first time ever using this guide!

Thanks!

I didn't really understand that you weren't supposed to pick up Stasis until later, but it ended up working anyway!

...I also picked up Tinkers for some reason...

https://te4.org/characters/217913/tome/ ... f67e4d891e

THANK YOU

[bta]

To me, Temporal Warden (TW) is the most survivable classes I've tried because dexterity and willpower are two of their most important stats. Dexterity avoids physical attacks and willpower resists mental attacks. Because of this, TW are more likely to survive an attack.

And, TW become faster as they advance in levels (so they can outrun most others to either catch them or keep from getting caught by them) and faster means they attack more times in a turn. And, they start out using both melee and ranged weapons, and spells too.

The down side: Spell caster means you can't walk into Zigur and buy mindstar training, oh well. Strength is not a prime requisite so it is a sacrifice to get the strength needed to wear heavy and massive armor. TW are spell casters but not focused on using staffs (staves). TW use bows or slings.

This is in 1.5.10 without Embers or any other area addons.

(edit) I really like defeating them before they can even get close to me. And sometimes, they lose the fight before even getting to attack me.

[helminthauge]

To me, Temporal Warden (TW) is the most survivable classes I've tried because dexterity and willpower are two of their most important stats. Dexterity avoids physical attacks and willpower resists mental attacks. Because of this, TW are more likely to survive an attack.

And, TW become faster as they advance in levels (so they can outrun most others to either catch them or keep from getting caught by them) and faster means they attack more times in a turn. And, they start out using both melee and ranged weapons, and spells too.

The down side: Spell caster means you can't walk into Zigur and buy mindstar training, oh well. Strength is not a prime requisite so it is a sacrifice to get the strength needed to wear heavy and massive armor. TW are spell casters but not focused on using staffs (staves). TW use bows or slings.

This is in 1.5.10 without Embers or any other area addons.

(edit) I really like defeating them before they can even get close to me. And sometimes, they lose the fight before even getting to attack me.

doubting whether you have learned how this class (and this game) works at all.

[bta]

[/quote]doubting whether you have learned how this class (and this game) works at all.[/quote]

My Shalore Temporal warden is level 44 and my Ogre TW is level 35. If I haven't learned anything, then I'm definately a lost cause. I believe I am learning... something.. all the time. But then, false beliefs are common. And, if you are right, I'm not upset, this is a game and I am entertained by it. (My complimentsq to the creators.)

[whitelion]

There are some things in TOME that work on normal difficulty but not on insane/nightmare. For the most part, defense and saves fall into that category. On higher difficulties, enemy power and accuracy scales so fast and you have so many statuses thrown at you that having more points in Wil or Dex will do very little to stop you from getting hit/confused/etc. Plus, you have nonlinear scaling. When you the game says you get 10 points of accuracy from Dex, that is raw accuracy, and it is scaled into effective accuracy that has some diminishing returns.

The author of this guide notes that he or she wrote it with higher difficulties in mind, so your experience if you are playing on normal might be very different. Also, unfortunately, there are some people on this forum who are dismissive towards players who don't play powerful strategies on higher difficulties. I find it's best to just ignore them.