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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 7:26 am 
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Uruivellas

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If you get an escort reward talent and later train talents that would be a prerequisite for the rewarded talent, you won't be able to unlearn the lower talents. For example, you get Staff Mastery from an alchemist escort, then later buy the category in Angolwen and train Channel Staff. You won't be able to unlearn Channel Staff because the game thinks it's required for Staff Mastery.

The really odd thing is this issue didn't exist in older (pre-1.6) versions of the game. I'm not sure what changed to cause the current behavior.


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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 11:25 am 
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I thought it did exist pre-1.6.

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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 2:41 pm 
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Effigy wrote:
If you get an escort reward talent and later train talents that would be a prerequisite for the rewarded talent, you won't be able to unlearn the lower talents. [...]
The really odd thing is this issue didn't exist in older (pre-1.6) versions of the game. I'm not sure what changed to cause the current behavior.
Are you sure that didn't happen pre-1.6? From my memory of the savefile format, there's no mechanism to record that you got a point in a talent from an escort instead of by spending a generic point.

The behavior related to this that keeps on annoying me is the inability to remove a point from a lower talent if you don't meet the stat requirements for a higher talent.

As an example: You have a character with 27 Will and 1 point in Tornado, which requires 28 Will. You also have 2 points in Static Field. The game disallows you from removing a point in Static Field because Tornado requires Static Field and you don't have the stat requirements to remove a point from Tornado... even though you'd still have a point in Static Field after removing one.


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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 8:44 pm 
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I could be misremembering, but I thought in the past I was able to respec other talents regardless of escort reward talents. I could be wrong about that, I just seem to remember doing it in the past.

It would be nice if talents that you can't respec, such as escort rewards, weren't considered for the purpose of respeccing other talents. And like visage said, the stat requirements of higher talents shouldn't matter for respeccing lower talents. Obviously this is low priority, but I wrote it up when I noticed it last night and it seemed like a new issue (although maybe isn't).


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