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top tier vaguepostingcomrade raoul wrote:(And I have to say, the difference between this tier list and, say, your DCSS spell guide seems somehow very telling. But I don't know whether it says more about the difference between the two games, between the two communities, or you.)
All of those addon classes are made by people who care about balance I guess.Nevuk wrote:Also, kind of impressive that even with all the add-on classes 4 of the top 5 are default (even if you just ignore adventurer)
Care to give some examples? I'm having trouble thinking of category combinations that are noticeably better then what Possessor can get with the right bodies.>Adventurer
Invincibility combos still exist
That's horrifying.>Demonologist
-Circular Link of Pain-
Where would you put v 1.00 Harbingers, which had Blazing Barrage + the Cremate version which made enemies explode for %max life damage?>Harbinger
I rolled up a dev mode shadowblade to theorycraft how to abuse Ambuscade and discovered that you can have your shadow Time Prison your real body for the duration of Ambuscade. You still have to beat your own spell save, but that's not that hard for a class with Shadow Cunning and you can always just set up the procedure behind a corner. Is this what you were talking about, or is it something simpler/more weird and buggy?>Shadowblade
Ambuscade can still be abused, it just takes longer now. That's my entire justification for putting Shadowblade this high. You can use items during Shadow Veil but it's probably still not something you'll actually cast.
Static Field does %hp damage, which seems pretty busted. So five excellent talents.>Wyrmic
Lightning Speed, Burrow, Ice Wall, and Dissolve are excellent, as everyone knows by now. But just having four excellent talents doesn't make a good class. Wyrmic just has four excellent talents. And other classes can get one of them from a mindstar...
They also had the broken slow, so maybe a bit below PM? Kind of the same situation as Gunslinger where you have effectively infinity damage but dying before you can get it off is still a potential problem.Arcvasti wrote:Where would you put v 1.00 Harbingers, which had Blazing Barrage + the Cremate version which made enemies explode for %max life damage?
There are a lot of goofy things you can do, but the simplest is that the old technique of Ambuscade + move the shadow far away + kamikaze attack still works. You just get fewer turns now and can't use teleport now, but there are plenty of other ways to put the shadow on the other side of the level, most noticeably Probability Travel.Arcvasti wrote:I rolled up a dev mode shadowblade to theorycraft how to abuse Ambuscade and discovered that you can have your shadow Time Prison your real body for the duration of Ambuscade. You still have to beat your own spell save, but that's not that hard for a class with Shadow Cunning and you can always just set up the procedure behind a corner. Is this what you were talking about, or is it something simpler/more weird and buggy?
I don't think Static Field is very good. The damage is typically less than I'd get from a bump attack. It's decent to open against elite bosses since rank life adjustment gives them such large HP pools, but that's about it. (And yeah, there's the AAD abuse with Acera but there are like 30 classes that are better at AAD abuse and you also have to get to level 30 to do it.)Arcvasti wrote:Static Field does %hp damage, which seems pretty busted. So five excellent talents.