ToME: the Tales of Maj'Eyal

Cornac to tier A, dwarf to tier B, that's probably it for races

Class changes imo:

Brawler A -> B
Psyshot B -> A (not because of changes, just personal opinion)
Mindslayer B -> A (same)
Archer D -> A
Rogue D -> B
Shadowblade C -> B
Stone Warden C -> B

tabs wrote:I'll throw the pebble which starts the avalanche: how should this list change for 1.5.0+?

archer to A, rogue to B and maybe A, possessor to S, cornac to A, dwarf to B, other buffed races irrelevant. Mindslayer to A too since why has this not happened yet?

e: despite mex's unstoppable fetish imo marauder should go down and shadowblade should go up

e: e: imo psyshot should stay B but i agree with dados other changes

Mex stop tinkering with your addons and update your list you're the only person's opinion who matters

Updated for 1.5.x.

Ogre Bulwark is probably C tier now because NINETEEN, and the >200 healmod you have from gear nowadays. Skirmisher might be D tier now, but maybe scoundrel cat is better than I'm giving it credit for.

Tbh it's probably time to put Ogre and Cornac where they belong (above Shalore) given that badelf does literally nothing for you in the most important part of Insane

Especially cornac

e: also mex, go win possessor madness

No because Timeless.

I feel sad because I've now learned that all of my wins have come from top tier classes.

Time to set myself a challenge.

Shaidyn wrote:I feel sad because I've now learned that all of my wins have come from top tier classes.

Time to set myself a challenge.

The only difference between top and low tiers are the amount of tedium you need to win with them. Except archmage.

ster wrote:

Shaidyn wrote:I feel sad because I've now learned that all of my wins have come from top tier classes.

Time to set myself a challenge.

The only difference between top and low tiers are the amount of tedium you need to win with them. Except archmage.

Strongly disagree. A win isn't legitimate unless it's with a C tier class or (ideally) lower.

Bodhi wrote:

ster wrote:

Shaidyn wrote:I feel sad because I've now learned that all of my wins have come from top tier classes.

Time to set myself a challenge.

The only difference between top and low tiers are the amount of tedium you need to win with them. Except archmage.

Strongly disagree. A win isn't legitimate unless it's with a C tier class or (ideally) lower.

Huzzah! I actually had a Wyrmic win. Confidence restored!

Granted it was an Ogre Wyrmic wearing a full Black set, Black Maul and Black Wall, but still... That's rank C, right?

Yep, a wyrmic win is a wyrmic win.

Apparently Sawbutcher is tier S now? https://te4.org/characters/20007/tome/9 ... 0a86e52982

Wow! I didn't expect that.

Turns out a lot of +%all damage is good