ToME: the Tales of Maj'Eyal

Wow. So you had 0 points in Thick Skin, 18 Armour, under 1700 HP, and you have almost completely ignored the light tree. And ok, you had a good rune of reflection, but no other shields, and you did not invest at all in Scar-Scripted Flesh. How did you not get one-shot-killed all the time? Is this a clever use of Cauterize and Heroism Infusions? But how did you even survive to level 42?

Maybe this should go in a separate thread.

I don't mind it being discussed here as it is about any classes' standing in the tier list. But maybe a seperate guide or post/character report would be good if stabya decides to do so.

As far as I can tell the only abuse I see is using crits to lower inscription cds, but I don't know if that would still be enough...

If you care to give a breakdown on how you did it i.e. how you didn't die and how you were able to kill things quickly enough then I would be more than happy to bump reaver up to Tier S along with Ogre (if the tactic relied on the racial abilities substantially).

Congrats!

_________________
<shesh> cursed is fine

Well, don't overlook boneshields. Reaver can survive 1 turn by boneshield, and deal serious damage by desease.

I can't believe stabya saved all escorts, but I can believe reaver has the potential to beat madness.

And congrats to stabya!

I started to write a guide but didn't have the stamina to complete it.
I used these two items alot, they dont make any damage but makes you pretty hard to kill
Mindstar of sand (offhand)
Aether Walk (there are plenty of similar items)
As a class Reavers make a ton of damage and can take any damage for a few turns.
So you nuke and run. Shields up. Nuke and run. Repeat till all are dead.
If something refuses to die and you dont have a Escort, skip that monster and return when you are stronger
Escorts should stay in the tunel you made for them till its safe to go outdoors.
There are several items that let you push the escort

First 30 or so levels I played caster using channel staff with a summoned ally between me and the monster.
I switched to melee when I had stun resist.

Patrols are a horror in Madness.
Use every speed enhance (like Eden's Guile ) and switch to gear with increased movement speed Before you leave Town and you will move 10 steps when they move 1
Over and out

I logged in and did my fight preparations and logged of so the Ogreeatness would show

+52 to int, str, Cun
Die at -2000
170% global speed
1427% movement speed
crit 125%

Hmm, I think I missplaced my post
Made a guide that has this sketchy link

viewtopic.php?f=57&t=45252

It's in the defilers section

Reaver bumped up to Tier S for completing Madness.

Ogre is good but still not as good as Shalore so they have been bumped up to Tier A.

Doomelf bumped up to Tier B as the ability to remove beneficial effects is markedly more powerful than the abilities the other races have in Tier C.

_________________
<shesh> cursed is fine

Any updates for 1.4? The discussion here is always interesting to read and think about

_________________
ToME Tips - auto-generated spoilers for ToME. - someone else made. I find super awesome, so spreading as well.

I will need to update it slightly for 1.4, need to consider changes to doomed and the embers classes/races (which will be in the context of the main campaign). I haven't got round to playing embers yet so no comments at the moment but of course you are all welcome to discuss any of the class/race positions.

Moved AB up to Tier S with imminent run completion by shesh.

_________________
<shesh> cursed is fine

I'd put new Doomed around upper tier C or lower tier B. I think it is stronger than Anorithil but weaker than Temporal Warden now. Also how is Archer better than Skirmisher? Archer has poor defense while Skirmisher has Buckler stuff and Arcrobatics. I also disagree with Cornac being in the same tier as Ogre, when you really don't need to unlock five categories unless doing a wonky Archmage build.

_________________
My wiki page, which contains a guide and resource compilation and class tier list.

Yeah I don't really know who to make fun of nowadays with the doomed buff, but doomed are probably tier C at least. Half seriously, which class is the easiest to make fun of for being gimped now?

Bulwark, because hilariously enough, it has terrible defenses . It is also the weakest class right now, except maybe Rogue.

On insane ane and madness bulwark is stronger than rogue imo

_________________
MADNESS rocks

I haven't actually tried Insane Rogue so I can't say. But I would happily pay a category point and a couple thousand gold for Trained Reactions on Insane Bulwark.

Rogue should be getting a fair few buffs in 1.5, so Bulwark will be the undisputed champion of bad classes.