We need another mage - The Elementalist

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We need another mage - The Elementalist

#1 Post by Sradac »

So there are a whole slew of melee classes in the game, but only 2 "mages"?

Here's how I see them

Alchemist - More of a hedge wizard, they understand the most basic principals of magic but dont have a whole lot of control over it, instead manipulating latent energies like the powers of gems.

Archmage - The name says it all, the ultimate spell caster, capable of mastering any form of magic.

And thats it. The most basic, and most advanced caster. We need something in between those! Tempest/pyro/cryo/geo used to fill that gap but they're gone now.
I know time mage is being worked on, but they're a whole different story and dont fit anywhere between them, they're their own separate path.


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Or thamaturge. Runemaster or thaumaturge done right would be very cool, sad that runemaster was always broke in past ToME's.

If wands were more common place, something like a magic eater, no actual magic talents themselves, instead they absorb it from outside sources....gah just got another idea.

A TRUE elementalist that only uses earth/air/fire/water. They have 4 resource pools, one for each element. As they take damage/effects from those sources they absorb a % of that dmg as power to fuel those element types.

They can also get an ability to "convert" an element to the opposite type, loosing some in the process. Fire <-> Water and Air<-> Earth. Maybe half of however many points used is lost to the atmosphere in the conversion. Chance of failure for that could create a disaster effect related to that element, converting fire <-> water could have a chance to create a random cold/fire effect damaging everything in x range including you.

Conversion would be needed so you arent stuck fueling only one element type fighting say a fire dragon, obviously fire wont hurt it.

Traps could be exploited though, maybe you can only be fueled once from a trap and after that still take dmg, but no absorption.

Give them the earth, fire, water, and air talent trees. DONT give them wildfire/tempest/stone/ Ice (I think thats the cryo one) since that will take away from the archmage.

Instead give them trees combining each element except for the opposite one.

I will update the trees when I get more ideas for actual talents.

Magma (Fire and Earth) [Fire heats up and melts the Earth into, what else? lava!]

Frost (Water and Air) [Fast movement of Air chills Water down to Frost/Ice effects]

1. Frost Shards
Activated
Cost: Air / Water
Range: Same progression as flameshock
Speed: 2000% of base

In your right hand, You conjure forth a small jet of water from each fingertip, spewing them in front of you. At the same time you throw a gust of high speed wind to chill the water. The results are several jagged shards of Frost that swiftly strike any target in front of you.
Targets affected suffer Frost damage and have their global speed reduced by 2% +1 % per talent level for 3 turns. Shards will NOT pass through targets, however a target can be hit multiple times.

(Maybe either create 5 shards one for each finger, or x+y shards per talent level. A shard will hit only what it comes into contact first and wont hit targets behind others. Not sure if the shards should take random paths or static, simply damaging all targets in range up to however many targets you have targeting the closest enemies first. here is what im thinking below on the flight path. First is the path, second has targets. The orc and rats would be hit, but the spiders would NOT since they are covered by the orc. Multiple hits dont stack multiple speed reductions)
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Mud ( Water and Earth) [This is going to need a better name, mud is lame but its what popped in my head)

Plasma (Fire and Air) [I guess? Closest thing I can think of, plasma is the state of matter after a gas, atoms are superheated to the point their electrons break off]

1. Plasmic Burst

Activated
Cost: Fire / Air
Range: 10
Speed: 1000% Base

A highly unstable burst of plasma sails in the direction of choice, melting anything in the impact area of 1 + 1 every 2 levels (Either fire and lightning damage or a new plasma damage)
Careful! It's Hot!

(Behavior is a combination of flame and fireflash. Fireflash can fly past targets, this can not. Will explode either when reaching its target, or against the first thing in its flight path.)
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Each of those will have 2 resource costs, example is Lava Surge, erupts a jet of magma underneeath target, costing X earth and X fire points. Could do both physical and fire dmg, or a new damage type of magma.

I suppose they would also need a way to draw out elements from their environment and enemies to fuel yourself when you are not taking damage.

Can absorb x amount of power from the terrain, air from the air, water from water, earth the earth and fire from...some heat source. Also able to absorb from an enemy. Absorbing an enemy would do that elemental resistance they have*some modifier.

Drawing Air from a Storm Drake would be devastating to it, that is what they consist of, the air and electricity contained within it. Ripping their very essence from them to fuel your own powers. That would need a very long cool down to keep from being spammed obviously.
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We need illusionists!
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#3 Post by yufra »

What type of mage do you propose then? The illusionist is a different type of mage entirely, so I don't think it will fit as an "intermediate" mage. I am excited to see them, though.
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Regards

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Stole this posts content and put up above.
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#6 Post by edge2054 »

madmonk wrote:Runemaster!
This.

Also like the thaumaturgist idea.

But Runemasters are fleshed out.

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#7 Post by Sradac »

meh...
runemaster sounds more like an old school alchemist and less like an old school runemaster. when I saw runemaster I was hoping it was about shaping and creating your own spells, not enchanting your own items.

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#8 Post by Aoi »

I've been playing around with skills to make a class whose capabilities are almost entirely powered by sustained/manadrain skills. It's pretty interesting, especially when I gave it practically no HP [~100 at L15?] and a version of disruption shield.

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#9 Post by Grey »

Elementalist could be interesting. The "Mud" tree would be more a poison/acid/blight thing, I guess. The "Plasma" tree would essentially be lightning, wouldn't it?
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#10 Post by Sradac »

Well I see the current lightning element closer to electricity from its descriptions and the way it acts. TRUE lightning that actually exists in nature actually is plasma, one of the few places outside the sun it naturally occurs.

Current lightning really has one heavy hitting spell and the rest utility, I see plasma as being huge burst damage on very long cool downs.

Elemental \ Plasma (class/mastery)

1. Plasmic Burst

Activated
Cost: Fire / Air
Range: 10
Speed: 1000% Base

A highly unstable burst of plasma sails in the direction of choice, melting anything in the impact area of 1 + 1 every 2 levels (Either fire and lightning damage or a new plasma damage)
Careful! It's Hot!

Behavior is a combination of flame and fireflash. Fireflash can fly past targets, this can not. Will explode either when reaching its target, or against the first thing in its flight path.

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#11 Post by Sradac »

now with fancy colors up top. Bumping for updates up top.

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#12 Post by edge2054 »

How about creating a charge when you cast an elemental spell and then converting the charges into the other spells.

To take your plasma spell as an example. Casting flame gives one fire charge, casting chain lightning gives two air charges, casting Plasmic Burst (if it's a first tier spell) costs one fire charge and one air charge, leaving the caster above with one air charge left.

A system like that would be easy to set up (use merging timed effects) and wouldn't be limited by the type of enemy your facing (there's spots in the game you might not get hit with any elemental damage for a whole zone.) On the other hand the charges should time out, maybe a charge should only have a ten turn or so life. Another benefit to using timed effects is you're not building a class with four resource pools.

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#13 Post by Sradac »

well its actually looking like this might end up not being a mage subtype if I try to stay away from mana.

I want the elementalist to be very tactical.
You must choose, do you 'Embrace the Elements' increasing elemental damage to you by a large amount to fuel your powerful abilities, or do you 'Brave the Elements' reducing all elemental damage you take, but severely reducing your own power output?

Planning a few utility abilities so you can still fuel your powers without having to take damage, brief description is above on how to draw in elemental energy from surroundings. not sure if it would be possible to say, target a water tile and gain water element from it. I'll have to see. If not then maybe something that gives a flat amount to each pool on a long cool down to get you ready before a fight and emergency during fights, like a manasurge rune.

Very few defensive options since they wont get the basic mage spells like phase door (another reason this might not be a mage subtype)

This will probably end up being the definition of a glass cannon. If you played early Everquest, think of when Wizards used to be in their glory days of being top burst dmg.

I got a long road ahead but I want to make this work. Thanks to finalmaster, edge, sus, yufra, and everyone else from IRC that got me started 1 talent is created so far. (its not on the list yet)

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