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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:23 pm 
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The precise conditions when Flexible Combat can trigger have never been clear to me, so I did lots of code-diving and experimentation.

FC is checked ONLY inside attackTarget() in Combat.lua.

I think this is correct now.

    These talents DO trigger FC x N1 - x N2, where N1 = min number, N2 = max number of FCs per talent usage
    Attack/bump x 1. A regular attack is one single weapon, or one two-handed weapon, or one "dual weapons" attack, or one "gesture of pain" attack.
    Attack/bump inside iceblock x 1
    Cleave x 1
    Shard x 1
    Corruptions/Corrupted Strength x 1 (on spell)
    Corruptions/Infectious Bite x 1
    Corruptions/Draining Assault x 2
    Corruptions/Fiery Grasp x 1
    Corruptions/Reckless Strike x 1
    Corruptions/Share the Pain x 1 (if adjacent)
    Corruptions/Burning Sacrifice x 0 - x 8 (no of surroundnig enemies)
    Corruptions/Abduction x 2
    Corruptions/Abduction with Destroyer x3 - x 5 (depends on talent level)\
    Corruptions/Fiery Torment x 1
    Corruptions/Demon Seed x 1
    Demon Seeds/Far Strike x 1
    Steamteach/Saw Wheels x 2
    Steamteach/Tempest of Metal x 1 <== however, this is triggered by any attack if it is sustained, so many talents in this list can double if ToM is active.
    Steamteach/Bloodstream x 1
    Steamteach/Spinal Break x 1
    Tinker/Iron Grip x 1
    Tinker/Spring Grapple x 1
    Celestial/Wave of Power x 2
    Celestial/Absorption Strike x 1
    Celestial/Flash of the Blade x 2
    Celestial/Brandish x 1 (the shield doesn't)
    Celestial/Crusade x 1 (the shield doesn't)
    Chronomancy/Warp Blade x 1
    Chronomancy/Blink Blade x 2
    Chronomancy/Blade Shear x 3
    Chronomancy/Warden's Focus x 1
    Chronomancy/Breach x 1
    Cunning/Hidden Blade x 1
    Cunning/Assassinate x 1 (on hidden blade)
    Cunning/Grappling Hook with GH Mastery x 1
    Cunning/Twist the Knife x 1
    Cunning/Dirty Fighting x 1
    Cunning/Expose Weakness x 1
    Cunning/Blade Flurry x 1
    Cunning/Venemous Strikes x 1
    Cunning/Shadow Step x 1
    Cunning/Counter Attack x 1 (note: talent can trigger up to twice per turn)
    Cunning/Bladestorm Trap x 1
    Cunning/Garrote x 1
    Cursed/Harass Prey x 2
    Cursed/Blindside x 1
    Cursed/Slash x 1
    Cursed/Frenzy x 4
    Cursed/Reckless Charge x 6
    Cursed/Dominate x 1
    Wild Gift/Ice Claw x 1
    Wild Gift/Wing Buffet x however many in your gust, so max about 10-12 !!!
    Wild Gift/Prismatic Slash x 1
    Wild Gift/Call of the Ooze x 3 (one per ooze !)
    Wild Gift/Swallow x 1
    Wild Gift/Quake x however many in your quake, so max about 20 or more !!!
    Wild Gift/Dissolve x 4
    Psionic/Kinetic Strike x 1
    Psionic/Kinetic Strike with Transcendent Telekinesis x 3 (if adjacent)
    Psionic/Thermal Strike x 1
    Psionic/Charged Strike x 1
    Psionic/Telkinetic Smash x 1
    Spells/Eldritch Blow x 1
    Spells/Eldritch Fury x 3
    Spells/Eldritch Slam x1 - x 112 however many in your slam, so max of 112 in full circle of 7 range !!!
    Techniques/Bleeding Edge x 1
    Techniques/Rush x 1
    Techniques/Flurry x 3
    Techniques/Heartseeker x 1
    Techniques/Uppercut x 1
    Techniques/Concussive Punch x 1
    Techniques/Butterfly Kick x 1 - x 6 (as many combos points and adjacent enemies you can have)
    Techniques/Haymaker x 1
    Techniques/Clinch x 1
    Techniques/Take Down x 1
    Techniques/Hurricane Throw x 0 to x 8 (if you land target in midst of circle of enemies!)
    Techniques/Double Strike x 2
    Techniques/Spinning Backhand x 1 - x 3 (up to two adjacent)
    Techniques/Axe Kick x 1
    Techniques/Flurry of Fists x 3
    Techniques/Combination Kick x1 x 5 (depends on talent level)
    Techniques/Touch of Death x 1
    Techniques/Assault x 2 (if shield hits)
    Teachnique/Shadow Veil x 1
    Prodigy/Windblade x 1 - x 42 (if surrounded by 42 enemies in circle !!!!)
    Prodigy/Giant Leap x 1 - x 8 (if surrounded by 8 enemies on landing)
    Prodigy/You shall be my weapon x 1
    Prodigy/Massive Blow x 1
    Ghoul/Gnaw x 1
    effects/Paranoid ??
    Egos that can trigger FC
    of Projection - each time for each projection :-)
    Artifacts that have a talent that can trigger FC
    Kinetic Spike x 1
    Stormlash x 1
    Focus Whip x 1
    Hydra Bite x 1
    These DO NOT trigger FC
    TK attacks. TKs are called from actBase() in Actor.lua and not from attackTarget()

So, what would the theoretical maximum be?
Eldritch Slam in a range 7 circle full of enemies = 112 hits
Tempest of Metal = 112 more hits
of Projection ego on both T5 saws = 10 projections per hit = 2,240 more hits (they'd all land as there are more than 10 enemies, assuming none die !)
GWF = 2 extra hits
Hidden blade = 1 extra hit
TOTAL = 112 + 112 + 2,240+ 2 + 1 = 2,467 hits !!!!!!

If FC triggers on 60% of these that's another 1,480 hits
If double cripple ego gloves triggered on 40% of these, that's onther 592 hits

Sooooooo, unless I'm mistaken, and that's possible (!), the theoretical approximate number of hits would be in this scenario 4,539 hits from a single mouse click !!!!

Person who can clock up the most this way gets award !!

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 7:22 pm 
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Interesting. Possessor's Unleashed Mind and Seismic Mind don't count?

I assume TK attacks are Mindslayer Beyond the Flesh?

If you're just looking for pure hits, and not specifically Flexible Combat, I think you're going to need Arcane Combat/Earthen Missiles in there.

Depending on what counts as a "hit" you may also want Forgery of Haze.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:35 am 
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Sher'Tul Godslayer

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Snarvid wrote:
Interesting. Possessor's Unleashed Mind and Seismic Mind don't count?

I assume TK attacks are Mindslayer Beyond the Flesh?

If you're just looking for pure hits, and not specifically Flexible Combat, I think you're going to need Arcane Combat/Earthen Missiles in there.

Depending on what counts as a "hit" you may also want Forgery of Haze.


Yes, TK are Beyond the Flesh and don't trigger FC.

Arcane Combat triggered spells don't in themselves trigger FC, so I don't count them. But I could, just for max hits per single talent activation. if that was at 80%, you'd be up to a theoretical max of 6,000-7,000 or so hits, as there is reduction for dual wielding etc. thing is, you'd probably run out of mana ;-). Unless you had all crits and enough regen on crit hit mana activations.

I checked Possessor skills - no talents trigger FC afaict. the all use AttackTargetWith() which a straight single weapon hit.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:06 am 
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Oh, sure, or maybe Highborn's Bloom/Hidden Resources (not sure if Arcane Combat is a forced cost that Higher would still have to pay or not). But I figure when your goal is max hits and you see 4.5k hits off a single mouse click and think "I can do better" then race or Prodigy choice is a small price to pay for another 9k-ish. And then you can run various on-spell hit gear (the dust-to-dust gloves, various robes) and get another 10%ish hits apiece, or (better) Corona, to iterate on that. Too bad Raze has a cap...

Odd for possessor. I definitely trigger Arcane Combat off Psychic Blows, but I don't know the difference of what kind of hit triggers what possible proc.

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