ToME: the Tales of Maj'Eyal

The Rogue that's going into 1.5 is probably a bit weaker than the addon version - has a few new tools as compared to the addon, but a lot of the really powerful bits have been tuned down. If we end up getting it into tier B that'll be good enough.

jenx wrote:My prediction for 2017: Marksman will be tier B

Marksman looks like tier A for me just due to sheer ridiculous offense, honestly

marksman rare+ however,

When did this thread become a discussion of class tiers? Here I was thinking it was, y'know, a guide and resource compilation.

jenx wrote:My prediction for 2017: Marksman will be tier B

About right here.

Besides, a tier list IS a resource, so I don't see why not.

tabs wrote:When did this thread become a discussion of class tiers? Here I was thinking it was, y'know, a guide and resource compilation.

A tier list is both a guide and a valuable resource.

tabs wrote:When did this thread become a discussion of class tiers? Here I was thinking it was, y'know, a guide and resource compilation.

I'm not entirely positive, but I think bpat had a tier list either immediately upon creation of this thread in his User section; if not a bit after. Additionally, bpat's opening post specifically says "... or the tier list should be modified, please let me know but make a compelling case for it...".

Anyhow, bpat, as an idea - since you have a tier list, maybe you could move your class guides down to be links under each specific class listed. IE, you could have something like:

Tier S -

• Paradox Mage -
  • Alternate Paradox Mage Insane difficulty guide
  Archmage -
  • [1.4.x] [Madness] Mex's Wildfire Archmage Guide
  Arcane Blade -
  • [1.4.x] [Madness] Mex's Arcane Blade Guide

Tier A -

...
...
...

If a class has more then one guide, then simply just put another link for it under it.

Seeing you post here Davion Fuxa reminds me I need to watch the video guides and put one or more of them on my list. I'll try and get that done soon. Interesting suggestion about ordering the guides according to the tier list, but I think I'll wait until we have a few more quality guides out there to not have too many empty slots. I currently listed them in the order they appear on the character creation screen which I think is pretty intuitive.

Micbran wrote:

jenx wrote:My prediction for 2017: Marksman will be tier B

About right here.

Besides, a tier list IS a resource, so I don't see why not.

Razakai updated Marksman and it is not as strong now

Sawbutcher A, but you already knew that

e: if you dont want to i'll write the guide after my one wins (e: e: e: that might be a while)

e: e: goddamnit i wanted to stomp insane with PES marksman

Yeah lol I stand corrected on Sawbutcher. My Sawbutcher steamrolled Insane without much trouble past the t2s. It has a really bad early game but after it gets going it is unstoppable.

Bump because i want to shill my recently-finished Demonologist guide some.

why did you guys skill magic with your sawbutchers?

arcane might OP


e: high skill ceiling

ster wrote:Bump because i want to shill my recently-finished Demonologist guide some.

Well, I've finished updating my guide too, so here it is

At least one of the two should make it, no? ^^

I added both