My prediction for 2017: Marksman will be tier B
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| Author: | bpat [ Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ToME Guide and other Resource Compilation |
Recent additions: my and guides, Mankeli's guide, and dadito's guide. Potential tier list changes: Sawbutcher A -> B Mindslayer B -> A Doomed B -> A Corruptor B -> C Gunslinger C -> B Cursed D -> C If you have lots of experience with one of these classes on Insane/Madness and think they should be moved a tier, let me know. |
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| Author: | ster [ Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ToME Guide and other Resource Compilation |
Agreed on Mindslayer A, haven't played the other classes enough to have an opinion. Demonologist should probably get tiered somewhere (B most likely, i could make a case for A tier but the class does have some pretty large weaknesses holding it back) |
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| Author: | posetcay [ Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:06 pm ] |
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Cursed is in a weird place where its stronger than Alchemist/Rogue/Bulwark/Archer but weaker than Tier C classes so its like a Tier 3.5 class. |
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| Author: | terri [ Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ToME Guide and other Resource Compilation |
viewtopic.php?f=41&t=45949 I think this thread is a good resource as it list the tinkers, their requirements and what they do with their skills Btw i suggest to add the link to your wiki pace in the signatures so everyone can look at it without searching necessarily this 3d |
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| Author: | ster [ Sat Jan 07, 2017 10:21 pm ] |
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| Author: | Sheila [ Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:21 am ] |
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Yeah cursed is pretty bottom tier on insane imo. |
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| Author: | Mordy [ Sun Jan 08, 2017 11:29 am ] |
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Is tier C gunslinger not counting the usage of Awesome Toss + Movement Infusion? Or does that "trick" loss potency in Insane+? |
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| Author: | ster [ Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:07 pm ] |
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| Author: | bpat [ Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:11 pm ] |
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I consider the Awesome Toss thing to be an unintended exploit similar to Augmentation snapshotting so I assume people won't use it. I wouldn't consider a win using that to be a legitimate win. I agree about Cursed being in the awkward spot where it's clearly worse than all the tier C classes but clearly better than all the tier D classes. I'm going to leave it in D for now. |
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| Author: | ster [ Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:21 pm ] |
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unrelated but why is the godawful bulwark guide still in that list? it's full of such crazy suboptimal advice that it's actively harmful to link to it IMO e: maxes con, maxed spell shield/the stam on kill thing from combat vet, doesn't get dex, 1/5 GWF and riposte, no charm mastery, EGSS, batshit dungeon order plus his insane victory had 8 deaths so he must have played terribly |
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| Author: | bpat [ Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:41 pm ] |
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Yeah I'm seriously considering removing it since it has a bunch of bad advice. GWF is easily the best talent Bulwark has other than maybe Step Up. I'm thinking that the writer won in spite of the build rather than because of it. |
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| Author: | Mordy [ Sun Jan 08, 2017 4:38 pm ] |
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| Author: | Number43 [ Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:59 pm ] |
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They should probably change awesome toss so it acts either once per turn, or inherits your attack speed, instead of attacking every time you act. |
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| Author: | jenx [ Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:56 am ] |
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My prediction for 2017: Marksman will be tier B
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| Author: | ster [ Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:11 am ] |
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Rogue will probably be A if it's anything like the addon i downloaded (for like 5 minutes before not bothering to actually play one) e: iirc there were some pretty big changes to Mobility/Survival in there too |
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