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Identify and monster memory
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Author:  darkgod [ Fri Dec 18, 2009 4:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Identify and monster memory

What do you think of them?
Do they really add to a game?
Or would simply giving all infos (or no info but I dont like that) work as well ?
Or maybe simplier ID, just either you dont know or you know all.

Ideas ?

Author:  Yottle [ Fri Dec 18, 2009 6:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Identify and monster memory

I don't think it adds much. After I played for a while I didn't usually need it because I remembered the important issues. It also makes it difficult to play more than one character at a time because the alternate character doesn't have the memory. (I am aware that those two arguments are contradictory.)

Author:  madmonk [ Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:17 pm ]
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So I would make identify to be dependant on Clvl... and also dependant on Class... Also specials still need to be *ID* to find out all the details of what it can do.

So Warrior types would have knowledge of weapons and armour, but not of magical stuff and vice versa.

As for Monster Memory, is it not stored in the save file? If it was separated into its own file and then left as an option for module makers to use (or not)...

Author:  AnonymousHero [ Fri Dec 18, 2009 10:57 pm ]
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My suggestion is to change Identify to the FAAngband behavior: All items pseudo-id instantly (but accuracy of pseudo-ID is still dependent on class and item type) and Identify does what *Identify* currently does. Much less tedious and adds a little excitement when you find {excellent} items.

Author:  darkgod [ Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:47 pm ]
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Ah yes I like this way I think .. :)

Author:  Shoob [ Sat Dec 19, 2009 5:18 pm ]
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Quote:
My suggestion is to change Identify to the FAAngband behavior: All items pseudo-id instantly (but accuracy of pseudo-ID is still dependent on class and item type) and Identify does what *Identify* currently does. Much less tedious and adds a little excitement when you find {excellent} items.


Maybe combine both that and madmonks idea... where you need to have the combat skill higher (say 10) to pseudo id a weapon/armor and magic higher (10 again or maybe 5) to pseudo id magic stuff (with 40 bringing it up to "id" for both, that is determine the +'s for weapons) (with some caveats explained below)

if an armor is not good or normal and your magic isnt high, I dont think a pc would generally be able to differentiate between excellent or worthless or special items. so if you have a high combat and magic skill you can fully id weapons and armour

as magic device is increased you can know the type of rod tip or wand or staff but not the charges left. this would be fairly simple to include

Author:  elcugo [ Sun Dec 20, 2009 4:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Identify and monster memory

Personally I like DBT's auto-id system, in that one stuff is identified when you have the relevant skill. For example armor is identified with the "martial-arts" skill and guns with the "markmanship" skill.

Also, to make things more interesting, some items could be identified when wielding them.

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