Projection + Fearscape = death and 2 yous at once

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Snarvid
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Projection + Fearscape = death and 2 yous at once

#1 Post by Snarvid »

Was playing around as a Possessor in the Grand Corruptor body.

- In Grand Corruptor body, make Projection, pull enemy into Fearscape.
- Projection duration wears off
- Bam! I'm dead and in Eidolon plane, probably because my projection expired, control was supposed to revert back to my base body, and it wasn't there.
- Did not lose a Grand Corruptor body on base form.

That's all somewhat predictable and fine. But also:

- My original body is still standing in the location I projected from originally
- It's not a snapshotted copy of me, it's an "also-me" in that it changes hit points when I change forms, if I hit it we both take damage, as I turn on and off sustains it does so simultaneously, and I can't even target it with Possess.
E: for even more weirdness - the skin on the also-me doesn't change every time I assume a different form, but if I leave the level and come back it changes to whatever skin I'm wearing when I enter the level.

This is such an out-there edge case I don't think it's a problem in and of itself, but maybe it shows something interesting that could be used to strengthen the engine.

Erenion
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Re: Projection + Fearscape = death and 2 yous at once

#2 Post by Erenion »

So I was bored, and decided to experiment with this. And I found another bug:
- Step 1: Fearscape an enemy.
- Step 2: Use Projection.
- Step 3: Turn off Fearscape while in Projection.

If done correctly, this should leave you hanging in a black void, with only an error message for company.
The best thing about this is that you are still a projection: When trying to change level with devmode, you get a message saying the you can't change levels without your body.

EDIT: This black void is the world map.

EDIT #2: This also works with Dreamscape.
Both Dreamscape and Temporal Reprieve can't be used while using Projection.

Necrotic Minions can be summoned, however they will decay super fast once Projection ends, since they now lack the necrotic aura of their summoner.
Doomeds Shadows are separate, meaning Projection allows you to have twice as many, but they despot once Projection is over.

EDIT #3: You can use the Summon ability of a possessed form while projecting. This let you effectively cheat Summoning Destabilisation.
You can use Possessors Ominous Form on your "normal" body while projecting, making you invulnerable.
You can use Temporal Fugue while projecting, creating clones that are invisible and cannot deal damage. When ending Projection, if the clones are still around, they will share damage with each other, but you will not be affected.
As already mentioned in the Possessor guide, you can use Psionic Minion while projecting without losing the body.
You can also assume/unassume forms while projecting.
If your body is affected by Time Prison while projecting, you will still take damage in ghost form, but it will not carry over to your body.
Breaking Projection since 1.5

Snarvid
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Re: Projection + Fearscape = death and 2 yous at once

#3 Post by Snarvid »

Erenion wrote:So I was bored, and decided to experiment with this. And I found another bug:
- Step 1: Fearscape an enemy.
- Step 2: Use Projection.
- Step 3: Turn off Fearscape while in Projection.

If done correctly, this should leave you hanging in a black void, with only an error message for company.
The best thing about this is that you are still a projection: When trying to change level with devmode, you get a message saying the you can't change levels without your body.

EDIT: This black void is the world map.

EDIT #2: This also works with Dreamscape.
Both Dreamscape and Temporal Reprieve can't be used while using Projection.

Necrotic Minions can be summoned, however they will decay super fast once Projection ends, since they now lack the necrotic aura of their summoner.
Doomeds Shadows are separate, meaning Projection allows you to have twice as many, but they despot once Projection is over.

EDIT #3: You can use the Summon ability of a possessed form while projecting. This let you effectively cheat Summoning Destabilisation.
You can use Possessors Ominous Form on your "normal" body while projecting, making you invulnerable.
You can use Temporal Fugue while projecting, creating clones that are invisible and cannot deal damage. When ending Projection, if the clones are still around, they will share damage with each other, but you will not be affected.
As already mentioned in the Possessor guide, you can use Psionic Minion while projecting without losing the body.
You can also assume/unassume forms while projecting.
If your body is affected by Time Prison while projecting, you will still take damage in ghost form, but it will not carry over to your body.
Some of those I already had in the possessor guide (Summon), but I hadn't gotten around to trying Necromancer, and totally missed Ominous Form (which is just an odd interaction I don't understand).

Would an allied Necrotic Aura work, or does it have to be the caster? I.e. Put aura on body, project, summon, if minions are in original aura will they decay?

Erenion
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Re: Projection + Fearscape = death and 2 yous at once

#4 Post by Erenion »

It has to be the original aura. Your minions summoned by your projection will decay even if you have Necrotic Aura active.
Breaking Projection since 1.5

posetcay
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Re: Projection + Fearscape = death and 2 yous at once

#5 Post by posetcay »

I already posted a bug report on this, seems like they havent fixed it. It happened to me when I fearscaped a Shadowblade rare and it used Ambuscade on me. I instantly died without my HP going to 0 and couldnt even use my Blood of Life. The game also crashed. Its a rare but extremely game breaking bug. Here is the link to my post:
http://forums.te4.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=46928
posetcay, the guy who only plays Doombringer

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