darkgod wrote:It's more like npcs will be smart enough to get out of the water.
As for "all hell will break loose", many others things are being done too so no hasty judgement please.
I already gave madness/insane starts a headstart with levels and money, if all hell DID break loose and all in all the new systems didnt make madness start better, it'd be easy to just throw in a few random items equivalent to some drowning and be done with it.
But that'd be the last solution, it's not elegant, so let's a least use reason and try the elegant ones before, ok ?
As for melee specifically, one of the goals is to not make them suck as much with T1 weapons btw
ooooo - now I"m really curious .... can't wait for next update.
darkgod wrote:, if all hell DID break loose and all in all the new systems didnt make madness start better, it'd be easy to just throw in a few random items equivalent to some drowning and be done with it.
But that'd be the last solution, it's not elegant, so let's a least use reason and try the elegant ones before, ok ?
It occurs to me that a reasonably elegant option that could be a replacement for drowning is to make shops stock better gear on Insane and Madness (and then start characters with even more cash on those difficulties).
Or to just somewhat scale back the impact of Madness / Insane on level one dungeons (or even just some level one dungeons.) I mean, if it's making them so hard that they're totally impossible to handle without the advantage of a drowning, that might be a sign that perhaps early-game Madness / Insane challenges should be scaled down slightly.
GlassGo wrote:roll with what you get, that's what I do
Yeah, you can also play with white loot all the game.
Doesn't look that interesting for me.
Hour ago I started Archer and got sling in a shop, artefact 3 tier, this one https://te4.org/wiki/Hare-Skin_Sling
Which gave me possibility to chose sling path from the start (which didn't save my ass from ridiculosly OP psionic in Rhaloren Camp who outdamaged me).
Actually taht's a good idae to add, *once* drowning is removed. I mean drowning is not removed, only the fact taht npcs will happily sit in water drowning.
Now instaedthey'll actively try to get out, so drowning X foes would be more of an achievement than it is now
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Micbran wrote:See, that's noble and all to remove drowning (the band-aid for the godawful start) and you say you can tweak it, but it all comes down to how exactly to tweak it. Giving 5 levels worth of exp and a free orange randart sounds cheaty, yet that's less than what you'd get from a good drown. I'm not worried about drowning being removed, in fact, I've already embraced that (thanks Mex), but I do have an issue with ripping off the band-aid and not fixing the wound.
If you need the 5 levels of exp and a free orange randart to handle that part of the game, the tweak would be to make that part of the game less punishing, thus removing the need for those things.
