remove sandworm lair
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remove sandworm lair
So to be honest, the sandworm lair is what is keeping me from playing Tome more often. I usually lose my characters around level 20. After that, I don't feel like playing for sometime, not because I lost my char, but because the thought of having to do that *#!%! sandworm lair again. Most starter /medium levels take me about 15-20 minutes to complete (much thanks to the z button). However, the sandworm lair is not compatible with my OCD. I want to explore every dungeon fully. That means, I want to visit every room. Because of that, the sandworm lair takes me between 60-90 minutes, waiting for those &%$!!# worms to finally start digging a tunnel to that last room I didn't visit yet. It annoys the crap out of me. I posted a suggestion to change tunneler behaviour about a year ago, that would prevent this:
- make every tunneler visit every room in (random) sequence. That means that, once you're done with clearing out most rooms, you would only need to follow a single worm on it's path to reach that last room you didn't see yet.
- make every tunneler visit every room in (random) sequence. That means that, once you're done with clearing out most rooms, you would only need to follow a single worm on it's path to reach that last room you didn't see yet.
Re: remove sandworm lair
Get a teleport rune. Seriously, it is not a hard dungeon.
You get to like it after a while. Esp. now with the chests!

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It's one of my favourite dungeons! I like that fully exploring it is discouraged and you have to keep careful track of the changing environment.. ToME has a lot of elements which you just can't do every game with every char.
OCD is not an excuse! Avoid doing the dungeon entirely if you don't like it. Or make an add-on that changes it to some way you prefer.
OCD is not an excuse! Avoid doing the dungeon entirely if you don't like it. Or make an add-on that changes it to some way you prefer.
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Hints:
-some classes have skills which allow them to map nearby areas. And you can get them from escorts.
-using a teleportation rune/talent/item/psycoportation charm definitely helps. And it can be a lifesaver if you can't breathe inside a wall and you find yourself
-Pay attention to tunnels in areas you have mapped out, they give you hints on if you missed a room.
-Swapping places with a worm will change its destination. Use this trick if you notice the worm going to an area you previously explored.
-some classes have skills which allow them to map nearby areas. And you can get them from escorts.
-using a teleportation rune/talent/item/psycoportation charm definitely helps. And it can be a lifesaver if you can't breathe inside a wall and you find yourself
-Pay attention to tunnels in areas you have mapped out, they give you hints on if you missed a room.
-Swapping places with a worm will change its destination. Use this trick if you notice the worm going to an area you previously explored.
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I hate the Sandworm Lair for the same reasons that you do and I do use teleportation to get through it. I found that the best thing to do is to save that zone as the last thing you do before going East. This way, you don't have to do it on virtually every single character.
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I find it pretty boring. I can't remember the last time the tunnels were actually a threat; if I'm playing carefully, there's little to no risk. Same goes for the underwater dungeons. If the temporary tunnels were tactical options, as opposed to the only means of transport, the zone would be a lot more fun.
Sorry about all the parentheses (sometimes I like to clarify things).
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If you get the tooth of the mouth (and everyone does, it seems), you can dig through sandworm lair. It digs faster than the walls collapse.
<darkgod> all this fine balancing talk is boring
<darkgod> brb buffing boulder throwers
<darkgod> brb buffing boulder throwers
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I was going to concur with the OP, but if this is true I might stop hating on the level.supermini wrote:If you get the tooth of the mouth (and everyone does, it seems), you can dig through sandworm lair. It digs faster than the walls collapse.
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Perhaps if the levels generated stable corridors connecting all the rooms after the queen was slain the zone would get less boring/tedious. This way it would still have the challenge of having to navigate through the tunnels to find the stairs on the way down, but could be explored as usual on the way up.
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You want to remove this (unique and interesting) dungeon because you don't like exploring it and you're forcing yourself to explore it?
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sandworm lair is awesome.
super massive hint: follow the blue worms...
super massive hint: follow the blue worms...