It's the one thing I found weird in the game - that someone whose profession is called "doombringer" is able to shop for groceries in Derth with no problems, but any outed Undead are shot on sight by over-eager halfling patrols. Shouldn't people who align themselves with destructive forces from outside this world be at least on a little less friendly terms with the ruling coalition?
I would guess it's only left that way because it would use too much development time to create a separate Defiler hub but I still felt a desire to create this thread for possible discussion!
Should Defilers be friendly with Allied Kingdoms?
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Re: Should Defilers be friendly with Allied Kingdoms?
this game happens over spawn of (in game) a few weeks.
before that, as a doom bringer, there isn't much evidence of your existence.
no one knows you, and you are probably not advertising the title.
as for making a use of vim, well, there are 3 groups of people.
-magic users, those who utilise certain energies to shape the world around them, in often unnatural way.
-ziguranths, those who hate all magic, and will slaughter any who had made even the smallest use of magic.
-bystanders, affiliated with neither, zigur, nor anglowen.
As "bystanders" do not really know any specyfic, and stand in between zugaraths spewing the most vile things about magic, while another time someone they know is being saved by an magic wielding adventurer, they dont really know what to say about magic.
When they hear about "unholy profanity", they mostly dissmiss it as "just more zigur's preaching".
As for Mages of Anglowen, they know better than to just condemn someone for utilizing the wrong art.
they themselves are persecuted after all.
if they see a "corrupter", they just hope that you make a "good" use of your knowledge, rather than try to slaughter all life on the planet.
but, if there is 1 thing all 3 groups agree with, it is that whatever you do, you should not disrupt the peace of a dead soul.
necromancers however, do not care about such thing as "eternal peace", and instead enslave the souls they slay, adding them to their ever growing army (pls disregard the 10 limit).
when you are an undead, it is rather obvious as to what happened. you are a walking proof of that. if not a mindless minion, then you got to be the offender himself.
want another option? in lore, there were instances where dead just rose with no reason, and begun slaughtering the living in sight.
before that, as a doom bringer, there isn't much evidence of your existence.
no one knows you, and you are probably not advertising the title.
as for making a use of vim, well, there are 3 groups of people.
-magic users, those who utilise certain energies to shape the world around them, in often unnatural way.
-ziguranths, those who hate all magic, and will slaughter any who had made even the smallest use of magic.
-bystanders, affiliated with neither, zigur, nor anglowen.
As "bystanders" do not really know any specyfic, and stand in between zugaraths spewing the most vile things about magic, while another time someone they know is being saved by an magic wielding adventurer, they dont really know what to say about magic.
When they hear about "unholy profanity", they mostly dissmiss it as "just more zigur's preaching".
As for Mages of Anglowen, they know better than to just condemn someone for utilizing the wrong art.
they themselves are persecuted after all.
if they see a "corrupter", they just hope that you make a "good" use of your knowledge, rather than try to slaughter all life on the planet.
but, if there is 1 thing all 3 groups agree with, it is that whatever you do, you should not disrupt the peace of a dead soul.
necromancers however, do not care about such thing as "eternal peace", and instead enslave the souls they slay, adding them to their ever growing army (pls disregard the 10 limit).
when you are an undead, it is rather obvious as to what happened. you are a walking proof of that. if not a mindless minion, then you got to be the offender himself.
want another option? in lore, there were instances where dead just rose with no reason, and begun slaughtering the living in sight.
Re: Should Defilers be friendly with Allied Kingdoms?
Doombringers maybe, but Corruptors and vim users in general are already established in the world at the start of the plot as (mostly elven) extremists and stray mages dealing with demons, harnessing energies of a cataclysmic event that most (even Angolwen) consider to be a dark spot on Eyal's history that they don't want to repeat.Radon26 wrote:this game happens over spawn of (in game) a few weeks.
before that, as a doom bringer, there isn't much evidence of your existence.
no one knows you, and you are probably not advertising the title.
as for making a use of vim, well, there are 3 groups of people.
-magic users, those who utilise certain energies to shape the world around them, in often unnatural way.
-ziguranths, those who hate all magic, and will slaughter any who had made even the smallest use of magic.
-bystanders, affiliated with neither, zigur, nor anglowen.
As "bystanders" do not really know any specyfic, and stand in between zugaraths spewing the most vile things about magic, while another time someone they know is being saved by an magic wielding adventurer, they dont really know what to say about magic.
When they hear about "unholy profanity", they mostly dissmiss it as "just more zigur's preaching".
As for Mages of Anglowen, they know better than to just condemn someone for utilizing the wrong art.
they themselves are persecuted after all.
if they see a "corrupter", they just hope that you make a "good" use of your knowledge, rather than try to slaughter all life on the planet.
but, if there is 1 thing all 3 groups agree with, it is that whatever you do, you should not disrupt the peace of a dead soul.
necromancers however, do not care about such thing as "eternal peace", and instead enslave the souls they slay, adding them to their ever growing army (pls disregard the 10 limit).
when you are an undead, it is rather obvious as to what happened. you are a walking proof of that. if not a mindless minion, then you got to be the offender himself.
want another option? in lore, there were instances where dead just rose with no reason, and begun slaughtering the living in sight.
While necromancers pursue knowledge of life and death and mostly seek to attain lichdom in solitude and undead characters are just misunderstood individuals who happened to be a product of a failed experiment, defilers are psychopaths focused on utilizing outwordly energies (blight) to gain untold powers and bring doom on worlds inhabitants. To me it feels like the latter group poses much more significant threat to organized human-halfling nation than a bunch of nerdy biotech students sitting in dark towers on the fringe of civilization.
If nothing else - maybe give them an optional tree that makes them hostile to AK upon learning, obtained similarly to Afflicted Cursed Aura?
Re: Should Defilers be friendly with Allied Kingdoms?
Angowelen maybe shouldn't be, but seriously, it's not like they take one look at you and say: "Yup, that's a corruptor. Let's lynch 'em." And the people in Derth, for example, live half way across the world from the spellblaze scar so how would they know about the evil of corruptors?
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Re: Should Defilers be friendly with Allied Kingdoms?
well, sure the demon worshipper is a demon worshipper, but as i said, all people of anglowen know well what it is to be persecuted, for practising an art others don't understand.
also, i am pretty sure they know WHAT went wrong with the spelblaze.
that is, some people were trying to weaponize archano-technology they did not fully understood. the far portals.
structures, which were chaneling immense ammount of energy, that were (if i remember the lore correctly) used as a powersupply for other magics.
also, technically, light was an outside element brought to eyal during the event.
whether they know that or not, pretty sure they know that it was the effect, not the cause of the event.
as such, dislike it as you will, you cannot blame blight for the event.
so again.
-anglowen people are more concerned with the use, rather than the power you wield.
-bystanders just don't want anything to do with you, as long as you don't bring plagues on the innocent.
cycle of life and death, is something even archmages do not want to disrupt. this is one thing everyone considers an abomination, and one that is rather easily recognizable.
and "bunch of nerdy biotech students sitting in dark towers on the fringe of civilization."?
well, korpull is one thing, dredfell is another. and then there is the idiot who has risen the player, if he choses undead. (edit, remember celia?)
i sincerely doubt they are seen as "nerds sitting in dark towers away from everyone".
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i still don't know how to explain players ability to just waltz in to a city, with a group of undead behind you, and noone gives a flying -.
also, i am pretty sure they know WHAT went wrong with the spelblaze.
that is, some people were trying to weaponize archano-technology they did not fully understood. the far portals.
structures, which were chaneling immense ammount of energy, that were (if i remember the lore correctly) used as a powersupply for other magics.
also, technically, light was an outside element brought to eyal during the event.
whether they know that or not, pretty sure they know that it was the effect, not the cause of the event.
as such, dislike it as you will, you cannot blame blight for the event.
so again.
-anglowen people are more concerned with the use, rather than the power you wield.
-bystanders just don't want anything to do with you, as long as you don't bring plagues on the innocent.
cycle of life and death, is something even archmages do not want to disrupt. this is one thing everyone considers an abomination, and one that is rather easily recognizable.
and "bunch of nerdy biotech students sitting in dark towers on the fringe of civilization."?
well, korpull is one thing, dredfell is another. and then there is the idiot who has risen the player, if he choses undead. (edit, remember celia?)
i sincerely doubt they are seen as "nerds sitting in dark towers away from everyone".
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i still don't know how to explain players ability to just waltz in to a city, with a group of undead behind you, and noone gives a flying -.
Re: Should Defilers be friendly with Allied Kingdoms?
I have thought about an alternative path for dealing with Urkis involving you deciding that Urkis is moving in on your turf, so you go beat him up to so that you are the evil overlord around here.
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Re: Should Defilers be friendly with Allied Kingdoms?
SO MUCH YESS!HousePet wrote:I have thought about an alternative path for dealing with Urkis involving you deciding that Urkis is moving in on your turf, so you go beat him up to so that you are the evil overlord around here.
screw heroics, i want to conquer eyal like the blood thirsty adventurer i am!
Re: Should Defilers be friendly with Allied Kingdoms?
The people in these towns will also happily put up with you bringing your horde of slime monsters to town, summoning fire drakes, rampaging around in a psychotic rage (as long as you don't actually hurt any of them), carrying around legendary weapons which can cleave a man in twain, or existing in your own mind. They'll put up with just about ANYTHING...they're just a little racist when it comes to the undead abominations from beyond the mortal coil.
Re: Should Defilers be friendly with Allied Kingdoms?
OMG, this needs to be a thing! Instead of saving the world, conquer it!Radon26 wrote:SO MUCH YESS!HousePet wrote:I have thought about an alternative path for dealing with Urkis involving you deciding that Urkis is moving in on your turf, so you go beat him up to so that you are the evil overlord around here.
screw heroics, i want to conquer eyal like the blood thirsty adventurer i am!
Re: Should Defilers be friendly with Allied Kingdoms?
uhm... "they're just a little racist when it comes to the undead"
uhm... you know...
undeath isn't a "race", its a state of existence.
and yeah. when you bring dakes or slimes, that makes you a wielder, which in their peasant heads, makes you a zigur associates.
and those don't do any harm to normal poeple, unless they are magic users.
with weapons, well, i doubt the weapons are going to go on a rampage on their own.
unless its Anmalice, in which case i am not sure.
peasants just want to live, there is no reason why they would want to come into contact with an undead, and risk being killed, which does have a pretty good chance of happening.
if there is an undead anywhere, it is most likely a scout or something for a necromancer planing an invasion.
uhm... you know...
undeath isn't a "race", its a state of existence.
and yeah. when you bring dakes or slimes, that makes you a wielder, which in their peasant heads, makes you a zigur associates.
and those don't do any harm to normal poeple, unless they are magic users.
with weapons, well, i doubt the weapons are going to go on a rampage on their own.
unless its Anmalice, in which case i am not sure.
peasants just want to live, there is no reason why they would want to come into contact with an undead, and risk being killed, which does have a pretty good chance of happening.
if there is an undead anywhere, it is most likely a scout or something for a necromancer planing an invasion.