Insane Mode

[Arthandas]

Ok, I started the game on normal difficulty and it quickly became boring because I could just click everywhere like a retard and still kill everything in sight. I decided to create a thalore rogue on insane/rougelike and suddenly I can't kill even the first mob I approach! I mean, those f***ers just run through 2 explosive traps and still manage to kill me in direct fight when they are at 25% life! I just lost like 50 rogues to first 1-3 creatures. If I make a fighter then I can stand my ground and fight even 2 mobs at a time and easily get to 5th level. The insane mode is playable as a fighter but it's completely broken for a rogue. Or am I just doing something wrong? Is there some secret way to play rogue on insane and not fail?

[lukep]

Not that I know of, Insane mode is not balanced, and I don't think it ever will be/is intended to be.

[Arthandas]

It's a shame because on normal this game is no fun and on insane it's unplayable (except for tank warriors).

[snoop]

It's a shame because on normal this game is no fun and on insane it's unplayable (except for tank warriors).

How far did you get? The early game is pretty easy for the most part (for a roguelike), but once you hit stuff like the Temporal Rift or Dreadfell the difficulty goes way way up...

[eronarn]

b35 actually managed to make Insane even worse. Many early spellcasters do more damage than your max health even with their non-crit basic spells. See also everything to do with the new saves system.

[getter77]

I strongly reckon Insane will get better when it is, one should hope, eventually dis-coupled from "Maths" as the differentiator.

[eronarn]

Balance is hard so let's just throw numbers at it



YEAH

[Frumple]

I count 406 talent points invested! That's a bit less than double the most I've seen on a normal difficulty farportal boss.

I can only imagine the buggers mastery makes the effective level on some of those really high ones completely hilarious.

[Grey]

Um..... wow. There should really be a hardcap of 10 or something, cause that's just... well.... insane. And not in a good way :P

[eronarn]

Even 10 won't really work - for example, Rush 10 lets you rush 13 squares.

If talents >5 are going to be allowed, talents should be redesigned so that they aren't completely broken at those levels.

[darkgod]

Yes it's mostly non-damage talents that can get broken, damage talents have a log scaling anyway

[eronarn]

Probably the worst offender I've seen.

[Rectifier]

Oh my god that is just ludicrous.

[lukep]

Nice, Wildfire level 16, now it can ignore 160% of your fire resistance IIRC.

[porkzar]

One really painful talent on insane is re-assemble, after 50lvl all the skeletons starts having 10lvl re-assemble, which has 5 turn cooldown and heals for 1k. Add 10-15lvl bone armour on top of that and killing skeletons becomes really painful at that point of the game unless you've gotten really lucky with items and have enough firepower to nuke em down. At best I've spent 5 minutes nuking one normal skeleton warrior till I got really lucky with freezes.

Not to mention necromancers who summons 7-10 skeletons with one cast at best. Even when you disperse the necrotic aura from the caster and kill him, all the skeletons have that high level re-assemble and bone armour so they can keep themselves alive even without the master around.