Rouges- still UP?

[konca]

Ive came back to tome after small break and i picked rougue - one of my favourites chars. I must say he sucks hard compared to probably any other hero.
Traps are pretty bad and useless ( why do they even damages rougue? ) even early game - late game they are completely waste of skill points. What rougue has over shadowblades ?

[tiger_eye]

Rogues do seem to be one of the weaker classes (especially early game), but I think they're a blast to play. Besides trapping (which doesn't suck if used properly--try disengaging, using a movement infusion, or placing a lure), the main difference between shadowblades is four of the talent categories have higher values. Hence, rogues are better at rogue stuff and combat. They also have access to the anti-magic quest.

Here's an example of why they don't completely suck: I just took out the orc ambush with my stealthy, defensive rogue. Heh, it was the most different battle I've ever had, too--I wish I had recorded it. The key was to stay invisible and don't do anything unless absolutely safe. Try not to get cornered in, an when you're able to disengage, lay a trap (or summon spiders). If you're seen, then disengage and hide in plain sight. Don't ever attack. This may not seem very sportsmanlike, but I'm a rogue, and this is what rogues do .

[Grey]

Yeah, rogues are all about the careful play and dirty tricks. Make good use of all movement abilities and don't expect to tank things like fighters. Another advantage they have over Shadowblades is less core stats, making it easier to pump things like stelth to better effect.

[escargot]

I'm currently playing Nissen, a halfling Rogue, who managed to get to the east mostly focusing in melee and stealth (I haven't spent points in traps and wanted to avoid the disengage tree) and it's great fun.

Generally I'm dual-wielding (sadly the secondary weaponry is not to be seen in the online sheet) and getting great damage output from stealth without getting caught too often because of the maxxed Unseen actions, and in case I'm facing something really dangerous I swap to my shield and the Silent blade - it may take a while longer to kill but you'll get the kill most likely undamaged.

Another thing to consider is that I missed all but one of the escorts (and wasted that first one on Spit poison accidentally), so it's quite a pure rogue character.

[konca]

I ve tried it once more and i even got silent blade but really its cheese tactic..
I have strong impression that rouges are incomplete class. They are really bad in the begining of the game later on weaker then most fighters unless they use silent blade - but it really doesnt make sense as a class design.
Mb they need some new skill tree?

[Grey]

They're supposed to be weaker than fighters! Honestly, if they were just the same they'd be boring.

Note that not all classes are equally enjoyable to all players.