Is Eyal Any Good?

[Red]

We've all seen bad shit in the lore. We've seen innocent people get attacked, we've seen genocide, we've seen just about everything wrong with the world. And we've seen it from everyone too-I can't think of anyone in the lore who hasn't done something horrible. In fact, it's to the point where I'm pretty sure, from any moral standpoint, the demons are in the right. They want to kill off Eyal, and frankly, from all I've seen Eyal deserves it.

Of course, they want to do so as painfully as possible and out of vengeance, so they really deserve it too. [Father] has just been tacitly aiding them by keeping them all alive, so he's got to go too.

I guess I'm just asking what's actually worth saving in Eyal, since there really doesn't seem to be much. (Not that we do much saving. My body count is at least five digits, and I'm sure more veteran players are into six or even seven digit numbers.)

[jaumito]

Just like the real world. Read/watch the news if you don't believe it - from Rwanda to Syria, it's a bloodbath of epic proportions. And Fukushima? Looks like a Sher'tul experiment turned wrong, with all that radiation I wouldn't be surprised if Japanese people grew fish tails in the near future.

[tilkau]

Just like the real world. Read/watch the news if you don't believe it - from Rwanda to Syria, it's a bloodbath of epic proportions. And Fukushima? Looks like a Sher'tul experiment turned wrong, with all that radiation I wouldn't be surprised if Japanese people grew fish tails in the near future.

Expecting the news to present a balanced view of the state of the world is hilariously invalid. The FBI will never tell you paranoia isn't warranted, news broadcasters won't tell you anything that good about the world, a car salesman won't tell you not to buy a car from him. That's what pays their bills.

[jaumito]

I agree 100%, but the point of my tongue-in-cheek comment was: if this reporting bias exists in our world, why not in Eyal?

[tilkau]

I agree 100%, but the point of my tongue-in-cheek comment was: if this reporting bias exists in our world, why not in Eyal?

Well, never mind then; I totally missed that your comment was tongue-in-cheek. (I know at least one person who would definitely make such a comment 100% seriously.). Yeah, of course it would exist in Eyal.

[pheonix89]

We've all seen bad shit in the lore. We've seen innocent people get attacked, we've seen genocide, we've seen just about everything wrong with the world. And we've seen it from everyone too-I can't think of anyone in the lore who hasn't done something horrible. In fact, it's to the point where I'm pretty sure, from any moral standpoint, the demons are in the right. They want to kill off Eyal, and frankly, from all I've seen Eyal deserves it.

Of course, they want to do so as painfully as possible and out of vengeance, so they really deserve it too. [Father] has just been tacitly aiding them by keeping them all alive, so he's got to go too.

I guess I'm just asking what's actually worth saving in Eyal, since there really doesn't seem to be much. (Not that we do much saving. My body count is at least five digits, and I'm sure more veteran players are into six or even seven digit numbers.)

Frankly, if the demons had the right target I'd be demanding a campaign to side with them. But they don't - and there isn't a right target. The mages who caused the Spellblaze did so by accident and got hit by it too, just not as badly. The Sher'tul didn't design the portals to do that, as best I can tell. What happened was just the result of desperate people messing with a system they not only didn't comprehend, but didn't comprehend how much they didn't comprehend. AFAIK, no one on Eyal at the time except the visiting proto-demons knew that the portal system had interplanetary functions, or that there was life on other planets.

BTW, am I the only one who finds it wierd that the three pre-Spellblaze demons are all bosses, while the majority of the post spellblaze ones aren't, when none of the three pre-Spellblaze individuals were professional combatants and the demons have remade themselves into weapons since the Spellblaze? It's like they got weaker.

[Hogulus]

BTW, am I the only one who finds it wierd that the three pre-Spellblaze demons are all bosses, while the majority of the post spellblaze ones aren't, when none of the three pre-Spellblaze individuals were professional combatants and the demons have remade themselves into weapons since the Spellblaze? It's like they got weaker.

I wrote the Ashes lore, and although I haven't gotten any of the following vetted by DarkGod and thus it shouldn't be taken as canon, the way I see it, there are two factors at work:

• The demonic explorers were pretty wealthy in their time, and the demonic race has always been pretty comfortable with alterations, given how Urh'Rok's consensual-eugenics-through-tournaments program has guided their evolution and gradually changed their form; even right before the Spellblaze happened and they started changing themselves specifically for combat, the demonic races weren't too similar to the original warring tribes that were struggling against the Dust Mages. As explorers, they probably bought a few alterations and had magical training to make themselves more resilient and powerful just in case of emergencies (and of the three, Walrog definitely went through some less-than-savory channels to learn the forbidden life-draining spell). Furthermore, over the years the explorers have been consuming a lot of Eyalite souls; Walrog's about half of the reason nobody in Eyal bothers with sea travel anymore, and although most of S's energy has been fed into Kryl'Feijan, she's still been keeping some for herself to extend her lifespan (and, when she's summoned, she's just had a fresh meal courtesy of her cultists).
• The demons aren't designing their soldiers purely for individual power; if they were they'd be using nothing but Forge Giants. Although they've developed methods of tapping the Spellblaze's ever-burning fires for magical energy and converting that into food, they can't pull it all out at once, and have to consider energy-efficiency in addition to mass-production methods. A Wretchling might even be weaker than a single unaltered Child of Emerald, but the demons can make a whole pack of Wretchlings for "cheaper" than they could by raising and training a normal Emerald, and in far less time. There are relatively-unaltered "civilian" demons, whose only changes have been to make them smaller to consume less energy, and fire-resistant so they can actually survive; Lithfengel used to be one of these, and most Children of Ruby don't mutilate their hands like Fire Imps, but the only ones you face are imp clerks (and, well, without giving away some of the mystery, my concept for duathedlen involves non-combatant demons who've had a change of heart).

[Red]

I wouldn't mind a campagin where we're unarguably the bad guys. Could be fun. Like the end goal of any adventurer in Dwarf Fortress-try to usher in the Age of Extinction.

So, Hogolus, is the power the demons have bound infinite, where they have unlimited power but only a little at a time? Or is it truly finite? Do the demons have a clock or a power meter constantly ticking down, and they have to take out Eyal before then or it's over permenantly? Or can they keep trying forever?

And, I suppose a bit more important to most people of Eyal, is whatever the hell kept Eyal safe from the Blaze that destroyed literally everything else finite as well? Or is Eyal on the clock, and once it runs out... Oblivion.

[HousePet]

I blame the Sher'Tul for not building a proper flashback arrestor into the farportal network.