How does dismissal work?

[jenx]

it says:

"Each time you take damage, you roll 31% of your mental save against it. A successful saving throw can crit and will reduce the damage by at least 50%"


It is the second sentence that makes little sense.

Let's say I have mental save of 20. So, I have 31% of 20 to save against damage, that is 6.2% chance to dismiss damage. So, let's say I throw a 5 out of 100 and save against damage.

Such a throw can crit. If crit is 150%, does that mean my throw is effectively 7.5 ???? but then, how much is my damaged reduced by? Is it 50% plus 7.5% , so I reduce by 57.5% ???

Basically, the description makes little sense.

Can someone please exaplin how this works, and fix the talent description?

[grayswandir]

You don't actually roll against your mindsave like that. Instead, the damage amount of the incoming attack is treated as a mindpower.
So in your example, instead of a 6.2% chance to save against damage, you're treated as having a mindsave of 6.2. That means you have a 50% chance to dismiss a hit for 6.2 damage, a 25% chance to dismiss at hit for 16.2 damage, and it'll always fail at 26.2 or higher.


For the crit, I dunno, lessee...

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local dismissed = value * (1 - (1 / self:mindCrit(2)))

So the amount of damage you take is divided by 2. If you make the crit, that 2 is multiplied by your crit power.
So with a standard crit power of 150% that'd be 3 and you'd take 1/3 of the damage.
At 200% crit power you'd take 1/4, etc.

[jenx]

You don't actually roll against your mindsave like that. Instead, the damage amount of the incoming attack is treated as a mindpower.
So in your example, instead of a 6.2% chance to save against damage, you're treated as having a mindsave of 6.2. That means you have a 50% chance to dismiss a hit for 6.2 damage, a 25% chance to dismiss at hit for 16.2 damage, and it'll always fail at 26.2 or higher.


For the crit, I dunno, lessee...

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local dismissed = value * (1 - (1 / self:mindCrit(2)))

So the amount of damage you take is divided by 2. If you make the crit, that 2 is multiplied by your crit power.
So with a standard crit power of 150% that'd be 3 and you'd take 1/3 of the damage.
At 200% crit power you'd take 1/4, etc.

really? then that makes the description even more bizarre and inaccurate.

and i still don't understand how you got all those figures. is there a simpler explanation?

[edge2054]

Dismissal rolls your mental save against the damage, treating damage as the power saved against. If the save is successful, the damage from the attack is reduced by half. The effect can crit, further reducing the damage.

[jenx]

Dismissal rolls your mental save against the damage, treating damage as the power saved against. If the save is successful, the damage from the attack is reduced by half. The effect can crit, further reducing the damage.

so, can you elaborate on this bit: "treating damage as the power saved against" - for example, i take 500 damage and i have mental save of 52. i still don't understand how you roll 52 against 500.

and which bit crits?

[HousePet]

Its the same as any other save roll.

The bit that crits is the divide by 2.

[jenx]

ok, so i ran dismissal with the log flushed and studied it. it is even more bizarre than I thought, and hard to understand.

you are right, the incoming dmg is rolled against, but that means dismissal doesn't ever work against large dmg amounts, making it pretty hopeless for nightmare and above modes.

and the description is poorly written.

i think the talent needs reworking and rewording.

[HousePet]

Well it made sense to me, and not every talent has to be burst protection.

[breadsmith]

I think it makes perfect sense. This is all in my head. And therefore it actually makes sense.