Upgraded chest for alchemist: Not ideal

[ibanix]

If you play an alchemist, and you get the upgraded chest, it automates gem extraction.

1) Tedious gameplay is bad game play; this feature should be base, not an upgrade.
2) The chest ALSO transmos the gems into money/energy after extracting them. This is BAD. I *want* those gems for golem imbuing/making bombs! If I want to transmo them later, I can do that manually.

[Zizzo]

2) The chest ALSO transmos the gems into money/energy after extracting them. This is BAD. I *want* those gems for golem imbuing/making bombs! If I want to transmo them later, I can do that manually.

Well, with apologies for the self-horn-tootage, my Auto-Transmo Gems addon adds an "Extract gems" action to the transmo chest's use-item dialog, which extracts gems from everything suitable in the chest. [And despite the suggestive name, the addon doesn't actually automatically transmo gems; it just puts them in the chest when you pick them up along with everything else — and it doesn't even do that if you know any of the Alchemist or Mindslayer talents for using gems.]

[ibanix]

I have Zomnibus 14.3.0, but I don't seem to have this option?

I do have the Auto-transmo gems option under Game Options, which is what I don't want for an alchemist...

[Zizzo]

I have Zomnibus 14.3.0, but I don't seem to have this option?

[sound F/X: testing] It only shows up in the transmo chest's use-item dialog if have the Extract Gems talent and if there are currently metal objects in the transmo chest that you are able to extract gems from.

I do have the Auto-transmo gems option under Game Options, which is what I don't want for an alchemist...

That's the option that doesn't kick in at all for Alchemists.

[ibanix]

I have Zomnibus 14.3.0, but I don't seem to have this option?

[sound F/X: testing] It only shows up in the transmo chest's use-item dialog if have the Extract Gems talent and if there are currently metal objects in the transmo chest that you are able to extract gems from.

Can it be changed (or option added) to make this *default* behavior for Alchemist class, or if one has the Extract Gems talent? Without having to invoke the chest manually each time?

[Zizzo]

Can it be changed (or option added) to make this *default* behavior for Alchemist class, or if one has the Extract Gems talent? Without having to invoke the chest manually each time?

Hmm, what do you mean by "default behavior" here? Particularly since you say "[w]ithout having to invoke the chest manually each time", I assume you mean the automatic invocation that happens when you change levels with stuff in your transmo chest. That gets significantly trickier, not least because I think we'd want to change the UI to reflect it — objects in the chest should be highlighted differently, for instance, depending on whether the chest is going to transmo it or extract a gem from it.

[ibanix]

That's pretty much what I mean. If one is an Alchemist (or knows gem-using skills), the default behavior on the chest (switching floors or invoking the chest by hot-key) should be to extract gems to inventory, and then stop. Do not transmorgify gems without player doing so by hand.

If you wanted to get doubly awesome, combining this behavior with the Zomnibus option to choose which level of gems to transmo would be hugely useful. Then it could be "extract gems from every object, and only transmo those of [range]". This would let the player keep higher tier gems for bomb use and imbuing, but transmo the lower ones, and handle the item extraction process it a default sensible way.

[Zizzo]

That's pretty much what I mean. If one is an Alchemist (or knows gem-using skills), the default behavior on the chest (switching floors or invoking the chest by hot-key) should be to extract gems to inventory, and then stop. Do not transmorgify gems without player doing so by hand.

[sound F/X: source diving] Hmm, I might be able to implement that by overloading Actor:transmoInven()… I'll look into it. Can't promise prompt action, though; kinda busy over in the T2 module.

If you wanted to get doubly awesome, combining this behavior with the Zomnibus option to choose which level of gems to transmo would be hugely useful. Then it could be "extract gems from every object, and only transmo those of [range]". This would let the player keep higher tier gems for bomb use and imbuing, but transmo the lower ones, and handle the item extraction process it a default sensible way.

Well, yeah, that's pretty much a given, since the Auto-Transmo Gems addon is where ZOmnibus gets that option in the first place.

[Zizzo]

If you wanted to get doubly awesome, combining this behavior with the Zomnibus option to choose which level of gems to transmo would be hugely useful. Then it could be "extract gems from every object, and only transmo those of [range]". This would let the player keep higher tier gems for bomb use and imbuing, but transmo the lower ones, and handle the item extraction process it a default sensible way.

Hmm, now that I read this more closely, I'm not sure about it. The existing option only controls whether (and which) gems get put in the transmo chest on pickup, and since it's ignored for Alchemists, its main function is to let non-Alchemist players keep high-level gems for the Limmir quest while transmo'ing low-level gems along with everything else. The functionality you're describing, AIUI, would be something different: it would auto-extract gems from some objects in the transmo chest and not others (we could let the non-extracted objects fall through to the fortress's chest upgrade), and which objects we want to auto-extract from would quite plausibly vary with the player's Extract Gems talent level.