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Lord Dimwit · #1 Post by **Lord Dimwit** » Sun Feb 09, 2003 8:58 pm

I was just wondering, since my characters tend to follow the exact same paths each time... Tulkas for warriors, Melkor for mages, with the occasional sprinkling of Manwe...

Any other opinions?

Matte · #2 Post by **Matte** » Mon Feb 10, 2003 6:35 am

I always use tulkas for warriors and Eru for my Sorcerers

Magua · #3 Post by **Magua** » Tue Feb 11, 2003 5:10 am

Eru all the way. Not for the wisdom bonus, or the blows deflection, or the chance at resurrection -- no, it's to be able to identify all items on the level and *identify* all items in the pack so easily.

Atarlost · #4 Post by **Atarlost** » Sun Apr 20, 2003 10:26 pm

I'm still using 2.1.1 or something, but I find that the best diety is usually NONE. There simply aren't enough evil monsters early on to avoid goind tens of thousands of points into negative piety with anyone but Melkor and Eru, and Tulkas. Manwe is particularly problematic since you lose tons of piety whenever you wind up having to fight novice priests and ther such self righteous nasties. This ruins him, and similar problems ruin Yavana for the early game, and if you slect no god at the start you can choose a god later in Lorien. Of the functional dieties, Tulkas has largely useless spells, Eru is only good for sorcerors, and Melkor gives you no worthwhile spells except curse, and acess to the Udun school, but screws up your int and wis.

Thus, my ToME charachters are usually agnostics.

Blackdog · #5 Post by **Blackdog** » Mon Apr 21, 2003 7:01 am

Eru all the way! I usually play mages, and the mana bonus is too good to pass up. Well, I suppose Drain would solve that problem, but Melkor is so eeevil....

Swiss Mercenary · #6 Post by **Swiss Mercenary** » Mon Apr 21, 2003 3:03 pm

Blackdog wrote:but Melkor is so eeevil....

Hey! He's not evil, he's just moraly challenged!

On a serious note, while Manwe looks good on paper, I use Tulkas. Yes, yes, strength can be maxed by quipment - but I still hate the piety loss over time...

Neil · #7 Post by **Neil** » Mon Apr 21, 2003 6:05 pm

http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=757

I didn't have trouble getting Piety with Manwe. Just go to the Orc Caves early, no big deal.

Blackdog · #8 Post by **Blackdog** » Mon Apr 21, 2003 7:10 pm

Swiss Mercenary wrote:
Hey! He's not evil, he's just moraly challenged!

Also he lowers your intelligence. I say blah to stupid mages.

Swiss Mercencary wrote: On a serious note, while Manwe looks good on paper, I use Tulkas. Yes, yes, strength can be maxed by quipment - but I still hate the piety loss over time...

Who worships Tulkas for strength? It's the big damage bonus that's the real treat. Also, the Earth school really benefits melee characters; +50 armor class is fairly significant, especially if it keeps those pesky reavers from draining your staff of healing.

Atarlost · #9 Post by **Atarlost** » Tue Apr 22, 2003 1:50 am

Dig is nothing to sneeze at either, but earth is still one of the more limited schools. The crazy thing is, as was said earlier, that the only Vala ever called on isn't available for worship, and the only Vala to actually directly interact with people is missing. (Ulmo)

#10 Post by **darkgod** » Tue Apr 22, 2003 3:52 pm

Ulmo WILL get in, as he is my favorite vala(the onyl one that is NOT an ass IMO

Neil · #11 Post by **Neil** » Tue Apr 22, 2003 4:05 pm

Who uses Tulkas for strength? I do. Most of the time I use a deity, it's Tulkas to give vital bonuses to Spectres of mine.

Teber · #12 Post by **Teber** » Tue Apr 22, 2003 7:49 pm

nothing despiccable about the CON bonus either.

Blackdog · #13 Post by **Blackdog** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 5:14 am

Maybe the results of this poll will convice darkgod to do something about Yavanna.

Lord Dimwit · #14 Post by **Lord Dimwit** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 5:35 am

Yea to that. Yavanna always did seem pretty underpowered to me... not only is it really, really hard to get your piety to a reasonable level, the only real benefits that she affords you are things like regenerating more quickly on grass...

I hate to be a battleaxe, but I would really prefer a god that grants tangible combat benefits (Tulkas) or intangible general benefits (Eru or Melkor). I've never run a successful worshipper of Yavanna

Atarlost · #15 Post by **Atarlost** » Wed Apr 23, 2003 9:44 pm

Yavannah wasn't the type to do things for people anyhow. She was more in the creation business than the divine intervention business. The biggest problem is piety: you can't raise your piety effectively without charming things, but you cannot charm things with negative piety. Given the difficulty a low level charachter would have charming animals that return more piety than the spell costs it is reasonable that piety not decrease with time. The alternative would be to make all townsfolk nonliving. Having charm animal create companions instead of pets might be an alternative to make her a worthwhile diety.

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