This isn't wikipedia. Of COURSE you'll be able to have a homepage about yourself, and of COURSE you'll want to sign your own comments so people know who said them.Da alchemist wrote: ***It's against wiki rules to speak about yourself - and by extension your character. We could keep the forum for that, and monitor it MUCH LESS since all the correct information is on Wiki soon enough... the entire spoiler forum's important info could be moved to wiki, for a start. Volonteers would look at some threads they're assigned or self-assigned and see if they can improve wiki with that thread or not - then we can mark the thread as {it's in wiki now}
ToME Wiki wanted/needed?
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wiki? Wikipedia?
Could someone enlighten us on the difference between wiki, wikipedia, and whatever other alternatives may exist?
They all sound like a large improvement, but they aren't identical...
They all sound like a large improvement, but they aren't identical...
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A wiki is a type of interactive webpage first created by Ward Cunningham. His wiki is the original Wiki and set many Wiki traditions and practices. It can be found at http://c2.com/cgi/wiki
Wikipedia is the name of a particular Wiki site that attempts to create an encyclopedia. It has its own traditions and practices. It can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
Sensei's Library is the name of another particular Wiki. It has its own traditions and practices. It can be found at http://senseis.xmp.net/
The ToME Wiki will be a particular Wiki with whatever traditions, rules, and practices we feel like creating. It'll likely be set up at http://www.t-o-m-e.net/wiki/ or http://wiki.t-o-m-e.net/
Wikipedia is the name of a particular Wiki site that attempts to create an encyclopedia. It has its own traditions and practices. It can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
Sensei's Library is the name of another particular Wiki. It has its own traditions and practices. It can be found at http://senseis.xmp.net/
The ToME Wiki will be a particular Wiki with whatever traditions, rules, and practices we feel like creating. It'll likely be set up at http://www.t-o-m-e.net/wiki/ or http://wiki.t-o-m-e.net/
looked at this link. i noted rows of characters that were squares. could it be that wiki uses characters of fonts that are not universally supported? methinks that would be a bad thing. the machine i'm using right now (my girlfriend's computer) is running under windows 98 se dutch.Neil wrote:Yet again, someone's written a document, not a discussion, and wanted to make it sticky.
We need a wiki! This forum is not doing what we need!
I'm examining VikiWiki right now. http://www14.org1.com/~mopia/dynamic/vikiwiki.cgi
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Vikiwiki uses utf-8 encoding everywhere in order to be multilingual.
If you're using some old software that doesn't know utf-8, you'd be out of luck.
The squares are probably your software's attempt to render japanese characters. It could be that your software DOES handle utf-8, but you just have no japanese font.
If you're using some old software that doesn't know utf-8, you'd be out of luck.
The squares are probably your software's attempt to render japanese characters. It could be that your software DOES handle utf-8, but you just have no japanese font.
Mh my idea was to use the wiki for an "user made knowledge base" but sitll keep the forum for .. well .. forum'ing if you know what I mean.
I really dont like the idea of having everybody able to "post" disguised as anybody else.
Also(I dont know wiki much at all), is it possible for a wiki to do forums with threads and individual posts in an easy manner ? I dont want people to have to learn something new jsut to post a message
I really dont like the idea of having everybody able to "post" disguised as anybody else.
Also(I dont know wiki much at all), is it possible for a wiki to do forums with threads and individual posts in an easy manner ? I dont want people to have to learn something new jsut to post a message
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Choosing wiki software that has user accounts avoids the impersonation issue.
I assert a virtually any wiki is easier to use than evil phpBB for ANY purpose, including discussions, and especially for the ways this particular phpBB installation is used (see Bugs, Spoilers, the numerous polls and poll-like threads in General Discussion and spoilers, the lengthier Ideas, and the countless duplicate posts.)
You're not going to get it both ways; that is, keeping this forum but cherry-picking all the good stuff into the wiki. A wiki only works when a community supports it and as long as this forum exists inertia will keep the community from growing the wiki.
Let's just outline all the wiki features we know we want, then set up the wiki as a trial. If you feel comfortable, we can turn off the forum. If you don't, we can turn off the wiki and nothing is lost. Right?
Required features list, part I:
1. Authenticated user accounts
2. ACLs on select pages
3. Good support for reading and writing "thread mode" discussions on a Wiki
I assert a virtually any wiki is easier to use than evil phpBB for ANY purpose, including discussions, and especially for the ways this particular phpBB installation is used (see Bugs, Spoilers, the numerous polls and poll-like threads in General Discussion and spoilers, the lengthier Ideas, and the countless duplicate posts.)
You're not going to get it both ways; that is, keeping this forum but cherry-picking all the good stuff into the wiki. A wiki only works when a community supports it and as long as this forum exists inertia will keep the community from growing the wiki.
Let's just outline all the wiki features we know we want, then set up the wiki as a trial. If you feel comfortable, we can turn off the forum. If you don't, we can turn off the wiki and nothing is lost. Right?
Required features list, part I:
1. Authenticated user accounts
2. ACLs on select pages
3. Good support for reading and writing "thread mode" discussions on a Wiki
A Wiki would be nice (I've seen them used elsewhere) but for information, not for discussions. Somewhere to collect things like spoilers, Day In The Life postings, howtos, that sort of thing. But I've never yet seen a Wiki which worked well as a discussion forum.
My vote is to have both the forum and a Wiki - they serve very different purposes.
My vote is to have both the forum and a Wiki - they serve very different purposes.
trouble with things like these is that the devteam are properly named. they actually do a lot of development. this forum has been in use for a couple of years now. i think DG has in mind to have a knolwledge base about ToME. this could imply that a limited number of people would actually post there. most visitors would be read only?
if so, i could see, how the forum could stay. especially since it would appear that wiki may not be a proper replacement for the forum? anyway the other discussion about the forum remains unsolved. again there's a lot of stuff already on this forum. a new forum would start being empty methinks. whichever way we look, we're facing inertia?
if so, i could see, how the forum could stay. especially since it would appear that wiki may not be a proper replacement for the forum? anyway the other discussion about the forum remains unsolved. again there's a lot of stuff already on this forum. a new forum would start being empty methinks. whichever way we look, we're facing inertia?
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The wiki we need
1. Authenticated user accounts
Well, as authenticated as this forum anyway. Anyone can create 50 identities by using 50 free email addresses, but no one can use somebody else's!
2. ACLs on select pages
What's ACLs?
3. Good support for reading and writing "thread mode" discussions on a Wiki
The wikipedia-style discussion tab is nice. It could even be automatically linked to a thread of the same name in the forum if such a thread exists. But I don't see the forum as much important anymore...
And I'm adding this:
4. The preview button, which is missing from some wiki types.
The wikipedia-style interface is my favorite so far...
5. Wikipedia has this nice feature where one can create a USER:USERNAME page. Such pages give the opportunity for the users to make a "web page", which is reached by clicking the name of a page maker. Surely this can be used to link all my character dumps together in one list of links automatically. With last words for each of my 264 lost souls preserved. *INSANE GRIN*
*****With so much support for wiki in the poll, the next question we should poll is which wiki to use, then how we costumize it!!!
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Well, as authenticated as this forum anyway. Anyone can create 50 identities by using 50 free email addresses, but no one can use somebody else's!
2. ACLs on select pages
What's ACLs?
3. Good support for reading and writing "thread mode" discussions on a Wiki
The wikipedia-style discussion tab is nice. It could even be automatically linked to a thread of the same name in the forum if such a thread exists. But I don't see the forum as much important anymore...
And I'm adding this:
4. The preview button, which is missing from some wiki types.
The wikipedia-style interface is my favorite so far...
5. Wikipedia has this nice feature where one can create a USER:USERNAME page. Such pages give the opportunity for the users to make a "web page", which is reached by clicking the name of a page maker. Surely this can be used to link all my character dumps together in one list of links automatically. With last words for each of my 264 lost souls preserved. *INSANE GRIN*
*****With so much support for wiki in the poll, the next question we should poll is which wiki to use, then how we costumize it!!!
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This, and darkgod's concern about still being able to maintain something resembling a thread, were my two main worries. It seems that there is a wiki answer to both of them.darkgod wrote:I really dont like the idea of having everybody able to "post" disguised as anybody else.
Neil, could you point us via a hyperlink to a portion of a wiki somewhere that acts in at least some respects as a discussion zone, so we can get a feel for it? I'm surfing some wikis now, but it'll take me time and sounds like you are far more familiar with them.