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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 3:33 pm 
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Hello community,

So I have this semi-succesful run with a Summoned and looking for advice on my skill spread, items and build. I am currently in the Dakar and want to face the Master next. Thank you very much in advance!

Link: https://te4.org/characters/222959/tome/ ... b9d466de1e


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 10:45 am 
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Hello community,

So I just wrecked the Daikara and there was this group of aspects of somethings and when I killed them this huge monster which was very epic indeed.
After defeating this monster - and a huge giant might I add - there was this damp cave in which a couple of brigands were stashing their loot. Too bad I had to kill them all and take whatever few things they had. On my way to kill the Master right now.
The thing I am most worried about is my amount of Generic Points, since this Summoner is fervently anti-magic since Subject Z killed his kin in a most gruesome manner!


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 3:53 pm 
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I don't know much about good levels for the Summoner class trees, but your generics seem a bit funny to me.
  • Way, way overinvested in Danger Sense.
  • Meditation doesn't need more than 1 point. Same for Earth's Eyes.
  • You should have points in Nature's Balance. It can reset summoning cooldowns.
  • 1 point in Light Armor Training goes a long way.
  • You'll really want to pump points into Psiblades soon. It's an endgame damage powerhouse, and Leaves Tide is super good because it protects your summons too.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 8:09 pm 
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Thank you very much! How should I use meditation, then? Right now, I activate it before pressing auto explore to reduce damage on any surprise hits. I deactivate it as soon as an enemy is sighted. Is this the optimal way of using it or are there better ways?


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 1:25 am 
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Spreeuw wrote:
Thank you very much! How should I use meditation, then? Right now, I activate it before pressing auto explore to reduce damage on any surprise hits. I deactivate it as soon as an enemy is sighted. Is this the optimal way of using it or are there better ways?


Meditation reduces the damage you do, not the damage you take.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:03 am 
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tabs wrote:
Spreeuw wrote:
Thank you very much! How should I use meditation, then? Right now, I activate it before pressing auto explore to reduce damage on any surprise hits. I deactivate it as soon as an enemy is sighted. Is this the optimal way of using it or are there better ways?


Meditation reduces the damage you do, not the damage you take.


Oh wow somehow I thought both. But what is the point then? Should I use it in battle to help lowering my equilibrium using jelly and time bark?


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:04 am 
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Spreeuw wrote:
tabs wrote:
Spreeuw wrote:
Thank you very much! How should I use meditation, then? Right now, I activate it before pressing auto explore to reduce damage on any surprise hits. I deactivate it as soon as an enemy is sighted. Is this the optimal way of using it or are there better ways?


Meditation reduces the damage you do, not the damage you take.


Oh wow somehow I thought both. But what is the point then? Should I use it in battle to help lowering my equilibrium using jelly and time bark?


that or you can use it before healing when youre desperate for a bigger heal

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 3:32 pm 
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So here's the thing about Meditation. While not sustained, it helps you regen EQ at a low rate, and while sustained, it helps you regen EQ at a much higher rate. But what's important here is that you don't regen EQ naturally. Nobody regens it naturally without Meditation, so at least one point of Meditation is strictly necessary even if you never sustain it a single time.

However, later levels of Meditation aren't really helpful at all. Nerfing your own damage by a whole 50% is HUGE and is actually MORE likely to get you killed, as generally, the best defense is an overwhelming offense. You want to kill things quickly before they have a chance to get a good swing at you. In addition to this, the active benefits are... dubious. The mental save increase is good in theory but actually almost worthless in practice, as it gives laughably low amounts of mind save until you have really high mindpower and TL, many levels later, at which point you don't even need the mind save that much and it's less effective anyway because of diminishing returns. The healmod increase is notable though, especially since meditation is instant use, which means you can toggle it on before you heal, use your heal at +23% effectiveness (up to 43% at TL5, but we already established that you probably want to leave this at 1/5), and then toggle it off immediately. There's a 20-turn CD afterward, but if you're not using it anyway, then boosting a heal once per fight is about the best utility you can get out of it.

The huge EQ regen from higher TL sustained meditation looks like it should be notable, but this actually doesn't remotely matter to you at all since you have Jelly and Frantic Summoning. When your EQ gets too high to reliably summon anything, you pop FS, throw down a Jelly and a Rimebark or Fire Drake next to it, and continue on your merry way.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:49 pm 
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Thanks very much you guys! Especially Lonewolf for your extensive explanation!
Right now I just killed the Master and am the strongest I have ever been! My first character over lvl 30!
The only other character I got to the East was a Bulwark but he was like lvl 25 when I was in the East (I had very good +hp gear!)
Your feedback is invaluable!


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