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ALERT! the talent point planner "update" for version 1.3 is bugged, and produces an error message upon attempting to Create Plan on a new char. older chars moved into the new version work just fine.

the error message mentions "attempt to index field 'pointplanner' (a nil value)" as the reason.

thought you should know!

I get this error when trying to access the staff store in the hidden mage city while using the Arcanum class pack or the Necromancy+ mod

You know what would be nice? If you could ignore stat prereqs. It's slow to tick them up from 10 to 54 and you don't actually need to worry about running out of stat points because you can use gear that you will one day have for actually leveling up.

Atarlost wrote:

Hmm, interesting idea. Would it be sufficient to have the planner auto-assign stat points to satisfy the requirements of the talent you just clicked on? I think a level 50 character gets enough stat points to get four stats up into the 50s, and if you need more than that, then (a) you're making an extremely specialized build, and (b) you really ought to fill the rest of us in on where you're getting all those extra talent points... :wink:

For the latter question, Lots of people packrat +48 in con swaps to get thick skin and then ditch them.

Would it be sufficient to have the planner auto-assign stat points to satisfy the requirements of the talent you just clicked on?

For that matter, now that I think of it, I'm not sure a character gets enough category points to unlock enough talent trees based on different stats (and then enough talent points to push the T4 talents in them) to end up needing five stats at 54 — and a lot of trees top off at a stat requirement of 44, which I think a level-50 character gets enough stat points to manage for five stats anyway.

Atarlost wrote:

For the latter question, Lots of people packrat +48 in con swaps to get thick skin and then ditch them.

Not stat points, talent points. For that matter, now that I think of it, I'm not sure a character gets enough category points to unlock enough talent trees based on different stats (and then enough talent points to push the T4 talents in them) to end up needing five stats at 54 — and a lot of trees top off at a stat requirement of 44, which I think a level-50 character gets enough stat points to manage for five stats anyway.

[All of which, to clarify, was in service of the original question:

I wrote:

Would it be sufficient to have the planner auto-assign stat points to satisfy the requirements of the talent you just clicked on?

We Apologize for the Confusion.™]

So, yes, it is possible to get talents that require more stat points than you can possibly have even without going adventurer. Mostly because of Thick Skin.

I'm getting a bug when I try to increase talents in the Combat techniques tree, on 1.4.3:

Author:	atcogas69 [ Wed Mar 18, 2015 1:48 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: [b41-1.0.5] Talent Point Planner
Quote: ALERT! the talent point planner "update" for version 1.3 is bugged, and produces an error message upon attempting to Create Plan on a new char. older chars moved into the new version work just fine. the error message mentions "attempt to index field 'pointplanner' (a nil value)" as the reason. thought you should know! Have the same problem.

Author:	Zizzo [ Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:13 am ]
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Thornstromb wrote: ALERT! the talent point planner "update" for version 1.3 is bugged, and produces an error message upon attempting to Create Plan on a new char. older chars moved into the new version work just fine. the error message mentions "attempt to index field 'pointplanner' (a nil value)" as the reason. [sound F/X: source diving] blink...* [sound F/X: forehead repeatedly striking desk]* Dammit, I swear I tested this... Fixed in v9p.1, just pushed out. AFAICT, the bug only prevented the planner dialog from opening, so I don't think there should be any data loss (I hope...). We Apologize for the Inconvenience.™

Author:	Deis [ Sat May 16, 2015 6:37 am ]
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I get this error when trying to access the staff store in the hidden mage city while using the Arcanum class pack or the Necromancy+ mod. It prevents me from accessing the store entirely. Strangely enough this only occurs when the mod TalentPointPlanner is active. Code: Lua Error: /hooks/pointplanner/load.lua:138: attempt to index local 'jump' (a nil value) At [C]:-1 __index At /hooks/pointplanner/load.lua:138 arcanum_staves At /hooks/pointplanner/load.lua:180 At /hooks/pointplanner/load.lua:195 At [string "return function(l, self, data) local ok=false..."]:1 triggerHook At /engine/Chat.lua:45 init At /engine/class.lua:40 new At /mod/resolvers.lua:369 check At /engine/Map.lua:798 checkEntity At /mod/class/Player.lua:292 move At /engine/interface/PlayerMouse.lua:61 mouseMove At /engine/interface/PlayerMouse.lua:133 mouseHandleDefault At /mod/class/Game.lua:2151 fct At /engine/Mouse.lua:56

Author:	Zizzo [ Sun May 17, 2015 3:20 am ]
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Deis wrote: I get this error when trying to access the staff store in the hidden mage city while using the Arcanum class pack or the Necromancy+ mod Yes, Arcanum apparently changed its store chat handling in a recent version. The just-released v9q should fix this. (Wait, Necromancy+? Does it fiddle with Angolwen stores too?)

Author:	HousePet [ Sun May 17, 2015 3:39 am ]
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No, Necromancy+ doesn't.

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Author:	Zizzo [ Thu Feb 11, 2016 1:38 am ]
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Pushing out bugfix release 9q.1, which fixes a couple talent descriptions that depend on our leveled-up player clone at least pretending to have a map position.

Author:	Atarlost [ Thu Feb 11, 2016 5:55 am ]
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You know what would be nice? If you could ignore stat prereqs. It's slow to tick them up from 10 to 54 and you don't actually need to worry about running out of stat points because you can use gear that you will one day have for actually leveling up.

Author:	Zizzo [ Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:29 am ]
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Atarlost wrote: You know what would be nice? If you could ignore stat prereqs. It's slow to tick them up from 10 to 54 and you don't actually need to worry about running out of stat points because you can use gear that you will one day have for actually leveling up. Hmm, interesting idea. Would it be sufficient to have the planner auto-assign stat points to satisfy the requirements of the talent you just clicked on? I think a level 50 character gets enough stat points to get four stats up into the 50s, and if you need more than that, then (a) you're making an extremely specialized build, and (b) you really ought to fill the rest of us in on where you're getting all those extra talent points...

Author:	Atarlost [ Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:06 pm ]
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Zizzo wrote: Atarlost wrote: You know what would be nice? If you could ignore stat prereqs. It's slow to tick them up from 10 to 54 and you don't actually need to worry about running out of stat points because you can use gear that you will one day have for actually leveling up. Hmm, interesting idea. Would it be sufficient to have the planner auto-assign stat points to satisfy the requirements of the talent you just clicked on? I think a level 50 character gets enough stat points to get four stats up into the 50s, and if you need more than that, then (a) you're making an extremely specialized build, and (b) you really ought to fill the rest of us in on where you're getting all those extra talent points... For the latter question, Lots of people packrat +48 in con swaps to get thick skin and then ditch them.

Author:	Zizzo [ Mon Feb 15, 2016 1:30 am ]
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Atarlost wrote: For the latter question, Lots of people packrat +48 in con swaps to get thick skin and then ditch them. Not stat points, talent points. For that matter, now that I think of it, I'm not sure a character gets enough category points to unlock enough talent trees based on different stats (and then enough talent points to push the T4 talents in them) to end up needing five stats at 54 — and a lot of trees top off at a stat requirement of 44, which I think a level-50 character gets enough stat points to manage for five stats anyway. [All of which, to clarify, was in service of the original question: I wrote: Would it be sufficient to have the planner auto-assign stat points to satisfy the requirements of the talent you just clicked on? We Apologize for the Confusion.™]

Author:	Zizzo [ Wed Feb 17, 2016 2:44 am ]
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I wrote: For that matter, now that I think of it, I'm not sure a character gets enough category points to unlock enough talent trees based on different stats (and then enough talent points to push the T4 talents in them) to end up needing five stats at 54 — and a lot of trees top off at a stat requirement of 44, which I think a level-50 character gets enough stat points to manage for five stats anyway. Welp, turns out I was wrong about that: testing reveals that a Cornac Berzerker that gets Spell/Divination from an escort can unlock that and Technique/Field Control and max Execution, Thick Skin, Evasion, Slow Motion and Premonition, at a total cost of 2 category points, 7 class points, 48 generic points and 164 stat points, one more than the player gets (depending on how Wyrm Bile breaks, which the planner doesn't simulate anyway). A compromise, then: we'll have the planner auto-spend stat points to satisfy talent requirements as long as the player has any left, and if they don't have enough, we'll let them push the talent anyway but warn them that they'll need stat-boosting gear. That's going out as v9r.

Author:	Atarlost [ Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:29 pm ]
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Zizzo wrote: Atarlost wrote: For the latter question, Lots of people packrat +48 in con swaps to get thick skin and then ditch them. Not stat points, talent points. For that matter, now that I think of it, I'm not sure a character gets enough category points to unlock enough talent trees based on different stats (and then enough talent points to push the T4 talents in them) to end up needing five stats at 54 — and a lot of trees top off at a stat requirement of 44, which I think a level-50 character gets enough stat points to manage for five stats anyway. [All of which, to clarify, was in service of the original question: I wrote: Would it be sufficient to have the planner auto-assign stat points to satisfy the requirements of the talent you just clicked on? We Apologize for the Confusion.™] Marauder: Unstoppable needs 54 strength. Cripple needs 44 cunning. Strider needs 44 dexterity. Thick Skin needs 59! constitution. That demands deep investment in two class trees and one generic tree. That adds up to 161 stat points out of 172 but there's one talent point left. Either unlock Celestial/Light from an escort and invest in Providence or go antimagic and invest in Mana Clash and you'll go over. So, yes, it is possible to get talents that require more stat points than you can possibly have even without going adventurer. Mostly because of Thick Skin.

Author:	Zizzo [ Sat Feb 20, 2016 5:13 am ]
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Atarlost wrote: So, yes, it is possible to get talents that require more stat points than you can possibly have even without going adventurer. Mostly because of Thick Skin. Umm… yes, I mentioned another one I'd found above. I trust the ultimately settled-on compromise is suitable?

Author:	Noel [ Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:37 am ]
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I'm getting a bug when I try to increase talents in the Combat techniques tree, on 1.4.3: Code: Lua Error: /data/talents/techniques/techniques.lua:180: attempt to call method 'getStr' (a nil value) At [C]:-1 getStr At /data/talents/techniques/techniques.lua:180 req At .../addons/zomnibus/superload/mod/dialogs/LevelupDialog.lua:269 learnTalent At /mod/dialogs/LevelupDialog.lua:949 super_onUseTalent At .../addons/zomnibus/superload/mod/dialogs/LevelupDialog.lua:341 onUseTalent At /mod/dialogs/LevelupDialog.lua:681 on_use At /mod/dialogs/elements/TalentTrees.lua:166 onUse At /mod/dialogs/elements/TalentTrees.lua:122 fct At /engine/Mouse.lua:58 receiveMouse At /engine/Mouse.lua:98 delegate At /engine/ui/Dialog.lua:657 mouseEvent At /engine/ui/Dialog.lua:399 fct At /engine/Mouse.lua:58

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Author:	Zizzo [ Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:20 pm ]
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Noel wrote: I'm getting a bug when I try to increase talents in the Combat techniques tree, on 1.4.3: [sound F/X: source diving] Oh. Stupid copy/paste error. Was passing the levelup dialog to the stat requirement function instead of, y'know, the actual player being leveled up. Fixed in version 9r.1, just pushed out. We Apologize for the Inconvenience.™